Wormholes

I hate spitballing ideas regarding this because this whole new setup effects all space, not just wspace... But for the suprise part...

An "option" would be to add a new green sig to the probe overview.

You launch a citadel, it shows up as a green sig (warpable), but unidentified (you don't know what it is). Its off the overview, in a place probably 20 to 30% of new eden don't even pay attention to.

To make this effective, you would have to change all identified green sigs into unidentified green sigs (warpable to, but unknown). To identify it, you either probe it, or warp to it.

To fix the issue of easy detection, the "box" that shows up when you warp to a site gets moved to when you land in the site.

Its an idea.

After reading the notes i am truly worried.

But **** it, will just watch it burn to the ground.

I look forward to watching these changes mutate to best suit the desires of NullSec while Wormholers struggle to adapt to this new "emergent gameplay"

Sad I couldn't make it to the Sounding board.

What I seem to hear though is that CCP is set on having this type of structures, they then realised that they didn't have the knowledge, expertise or groundwork to do it, so now it is all about pushing out a feature that they aren't ready to push out.

Why did you choose the storage solution? Cause it was the easy way with our current systems.
Why did you choose the way of locating them? Cause it was the easy way with our current systems.
Why did you choose the way to interact wit them? ...
The way of gathering intel from them? ...
How did you choose the type of fuel? We went for the easy solution..

It is all about hacking a feature together with whatever broken systems they have at their disposal. So instead of making a good feature, they hack together something that works, but isn't good.

I guess some things never change, despite new release cycles, designers, roadmaps..

Not many Vikings around the CCP offices anymore? :P


How about we stop up for a second, realize that we aren't ready to make these new structures, say sorry to the community for once again promising something we didn't have the skills/time/resources to do.
Then we can get around to making some tempoary issues with NS structures until we are ready to do it proper. And then we can focus on parts of the game that is actually broken, like corp roles, activity, add stuff to do etc.

I just finished reading all 26 pages of the thread about structures in the Features & Ideas Discussion forum and didn't get that impression. It's been like 20 pages since a dev responded though, so that could be why. If you could poke them and get them to post an update there it might help with the visibility on that.

I'll go check your blog though, I haven't been keeping up to date on much in EVE while I've been inactive.

NEWS FLASH: "CCP and CSM still making sure wspace stays dead"

We've been explaining what we need for several years now and it seems to have had absolutely no impact whatsoever. So now that they are finally cobbling something together, we will get stuck with tools tuned specifically and exclusively for the needs of nullbears (big surprise there, given the lack of real non-bloc CSMs).

On the bright side, at least its a change and it might shake some things up. It will still suck, but it will suck in a somewhat different way. So we will keep complaining as usual (to no effect), some people will leave, others might come, etc.

Not my job to defend there choices, and no matter what they do people are going to be but hurt.

1) pos security and roles, its currently **** and dont tell me it isnt manageable if you do xz & z, and you should click the box on the 3rd page because that stops some one taking something out of this pos, but not at corprate station (f) but yes at station (x)

2)Total amount of storage available, there are limits, Since nova I travel pretty light. some people are bad and where using things like capital assembly arrays to store ships which they would online and offline so they could drag ships to the empty SMA
Granted this is and edge case scenario and no one should ever let there setup get that messy.

3)wont need pos passwords

4) more freedom for lower ranked members to do things with out any special roles,
They can build something, no one can steal said thing or accidentally use some one else's materials.

5)People dropping things in the wrong hangers wont need help retrieving said things.

6)Ability to hide intel if you so choose. the reality is you will either engage some one or you wont. it wont matter if theres 50 people on-line in there system or only 2, your either going for it or your not. if your worried your going to be counter jumped thats your problem and a risk you take.

7) ability to trade in station with out doing the whole hangers that can etc business, so long as there is some kind of office facility to drop loot to corp, or access shared ships, then things will be fine.


8) Much easier to find.. I disagree your your statement that they will be hard to find, with the ease of use(I hope!) the density of people living in the same structure will increase. meaning far less structures to have to find and stalk in the first place.

Of course people might go for full coverage if there's some kind of limit, but really, there's only 4-5 systems I can think off that would bother to do that.

With things like Curses not showing up on dscan I really hope theres an increase in the chance of hitting people care baring in your own allegedly empty system!


9) its possible you currently like pos's because you have Starbase config or your own tower is configured in such a way you can do as you please. I can assure you this is not the case for the majority of wspace citizens.

10) CCP programmers have a right to be lazy, super complicated things for the sake of being complicated have bugs and the weirdest usage case sceneries, at its purest form. Its a place you login/loggoff at, a place to park your ship, build something, fit a ship, undock to go kill something. how much more complicated do you really want it to be?


Change is coming, they are telling you its coming, you can shout and scream all you want. but its going to happen. you can be a part of the process and put your views forward, or you can rant and scream the sky is falling contribute nothing constructive and be totally ignored by all and sundry.


that said things i'm not certain about.
How gas reactions will change, will they become factory type jobs? because in some ways thats sweet, onlineing offlineing crap to move and do things is a pita because roles (pos online/offline needed) antiquated reaction type setups are a ball ache.

Moon reactions/boosters, will they be jobs or how will that work. some kind of factory addon /service that burns fuel?

The undock.. I dislike all the ships coming out of a small easy area where you could get camped blapped due to lag / game crashes. or the ease of dropping one large t2 bubble .

Standings status, currently only people in the same alliance or whom know the pos password can enter a pos ff. If the structure is tied to corp/alliance standings then will we see multiple alliances /corps working out of the same system?

Will we see baiting with care bare corps, as "Owners of structures" in an attempt to lure prospective things to kill to feel much safer to travel or do things in your system or will people change the owner ship to confuse and dazzle would be aggressors?

Ive never found a loot pinjata tower yet, with an off-line ff, but I live and dream of the day! If there's some way that can still happen..

We have also found and swiped ships floating out of pos shields before, I guess we wont see that happen any more.

in the long term I see no negatives. These structures make wspace more accessible to more people and less crazy roles and security permissions needed for the basic usage of the structures, they will also work the same as every other part of space meaning people only need to learn a bit about scanning and wh sizes to adjust to wspace.

I went and read Corbexx's blog post about Structures, for reference, this is what it says:



To be fair, this isn't exactly like docking in a station, but it doesn't seem different enough to avoid docking games either.

The only real differences are that in this situation you will be able to see what is on grid while docked, and when you undock you will have limited invulnerability. Now we don't know from that post whether being "linked" is time limited, distance limited, or action limited. For example, if I initiate warp, does invulnerability drop immediately? The answers to those three possibilities may determine whether docking games will be possible or not.

Basically if I undock and initiate warp, if that drops my invulnerability, then it will be docking games galore. If invulnerability is only distance and/or time related then that might solve the problem. Though if it's related to distance then bumping puts docking games back in play.

I posted my feelings about these structure changes in the Features and Ideas thread here. I think staging is one of the most important benefits of having a POS. I don't think CCP fully understands or agrees with this based on how they are trying to proceed. Maybe there is more info out there, that I don't have yet, that addresses these concerns. At least that's what I'm hoping, because it feels like they are missing the point with these new structures, even if I agree with where they are trying to go with most of it.