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Citadels and New Structures - what about little guys?
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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2015-05-26 09:17:59 UTC
We will have grate Citadels and tons of the new structures.
What i am missing is stuff for a little guys , so small corp or single person operations.

Currently people are using control towers , and depending on what they need they exchange or ofline/online modules.
This will be no longer possible under the new system , and trying to recreate this functionality will require much bigger investment - so something that most of the little guys cannot afford.

Can we get some utility structure when you can easily rotate functionalities based on your current needs?
Base concept is to leave current Pos modules that can be used later as expansions for this type ( and maybe other) structure.

Players need to find "small asteroid field" in the system (special anomaly) that can be upgraded and adapted using special module to something like this :
https://evetravel.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/2012-03-20-02-21-12.jpg

So instead of building citadels players will be able to construct their own asteroid installations for utility needs.
Fuel consumption will be based on the installed modules.

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Amarisen Gream
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#2 - 2015-05-26 09:26:15 UTC
There are plans for 3 sizes of theses new business. The Medium size should take care of most small/solo players needs.

The XL will replace the current outpost.
Please read the comments of these blogs/forum post.

Your question has already been answered (I believe) in the comments thread of the Citidal blog.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#3 - 2015-05-26 09:29:00 UTC
I am curious, why do you think Medium size structures will not work for small corporations or individuals?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-05-26 09:50:31 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Currently people are using control towers , and depending on what they need they exchange or ofline/online modules.
This will be no longer possible under the new system , and trying to recreate this functionality will require much bigger investment - so something that most of the little guys cannot afford.


This was changed some time ago, the POS tower use the same fuel without any modules as it does with 100% cpu+pg use.
Changing what modules are active should be as easy as refitting a ship, remove the module you no longer need an replace it with a new one.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2015-05-26 10:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Currently people are using control towers , and depending on what they need they exchange or ofline/online modules.
This will be no longer possible under the new system , and trying to recreate this functionality will require much bigger investment - so something that most of the little guys cannot afford.


This was changed some time ago, the POS tower use the same fuel without any modules as it does with 100% cpu+pg use.
Changing what modules are active should be as easy as refitting a ship, remove the module you no longer need an replace it with a new one.


In the new structure system, the structure itself will not require fuel - only the modules fitted on it.

Edit - I agree that it should be fairly easy to customize a structure in the new version. The question is whether one Entosis troll can cause you to lose if you are away from game for a couple of days.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-05-26 11:02:18 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Currently people are using control towers , and depending on what they need they exchange or ofline/online modules.
This will be no longer possible under the new system , and trying to recreate this functionality will require much bigger investment - so something that most of the little guys cannot afford.


This was changed some time ago, the POS tower use the same fuel without any modules as it does with 100% cpu+pg use.
Changing what modules are active should be as easy as refitting a ship, remove the module you no longer need an replace it with a new one.


In the new structure system, the structure itself will not require fuel - only the modules fitted on it.

Edit - I agree that it should be fairly easy to customize a structure in the new version. The question is whether one Entosis troll can cause you to lose if you are away from game for a couple of days.


For the 100th time

As long as you put guns on the thing, no, no they wont. The citadels will be able to scare off/kill a single ship no problem even with no one being at a gun. If people show up with a fleet then you will lose the thing, but that stands for the current POS system.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#7 - 2015-05-26 16:02:03 UTC
Kashadin wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Currently people are using control towers , and depending on what they need they exchange or ofline/online modules.
This will be no longer possible under the new system , and trying to recreate this functionality will require much bigger investment - so something that most of the little guys cannot afford.


This was changed some time ago, the POS tower use the same fuel without any modules as it does with 100% cpu+pg use.
Changing what modules are active should be as easy as refitting a ship, remove the module you no longer need an replace it with a new one.


In the new structure system, the structure itself will not require fuel - only the modules fitted on it.

Edit - I agree that it should be fairly easy to customize a structure in the new version. The question is whether one Entosis troll can cause you to lose if you are away from game for a couple of days.


For the 100th time

As long as you put guns on the thing, no, no they wont. The citadels will be able to scare off/kill a single ship no problem even with no one being at a gun. If people show up with a fleet then you will lose the thing, but that stands for the current POS system.

Not quite true. AFK oracles can totally be managed such that they can kill a tower solo if it isn't fit with hardeners. Just takes all darned day.

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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-26 16:05:20 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
Kashadin wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Currently people are using control towers , and depending on what they need they exchange or ofline/online modules.
This will be no longer possible under the new system , and trying to recreate this functionality will require much bigger investment - so something that most of the little guys cannot afford.


This was changed some time ago, the POS tower use the same fuel without any modules as it does with 100% cpu+pg use.
Changing what modules are active should be as easy as refitting a ship, remove the module you no longer need an replace it with a new one.


In the new structure system, the structure itself will not require fuel - only the modules fitted on it.

Edit - I agree that it should be fairly easy to customize a structure in the new version. The question is whether one Entosis troll can cause you to lose if you are away from game for a couple of days.


For the 100th time

As long as you put guns on the thing, no, no they wont. The citadels will be able to scare off/kill a single ship no problem even with no one being at a gun. If people show up with a fleet then you will lose the thing, but that stands for the current POS system.

Not quite true. AFK oracles can totally be managed such that they can kill a tower solo if it isn't fit with hardeners. Just takes all darned day.



A single oracle won't be able to, unless that tower has either no guns or is out of ammo. One the guns are taken out then a oracle fleet would have no problem, but at that point it going past a "singe AFK guy fuckin with me"
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#9 - 2015-05-26 16:15:45 UTC
I would say there are plenty of options for the small gang and for the free agent such as myself.

CCP said they would be breaking down arbitrary and artificial barriers to make sure structures see widespread and popular use. The Only limiting factor i see would be the initial cost of structures when they launch and however long it takes for us to reach decent market saturation to make them more readily available for all of us, particularly players who dont make as much isk as some veteran or more well off players.

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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-05-26 17:27:03 UTC
That will be balanced out by the POS system still being in place for the transition period, giving people plenty of time to get used to and swap over to the new stuff and for prices to settle.