EVE General Discussion

And just to add to that, no one is seriously asking to remove incursions and ruin someone else's fun. Just rein them in a bit so that someone who is looking at their options for the highest ISK/hr isn't forced to choose highsec incursions because the risk vs reward balances for them is just head-and-shoulders above almost everything else in the game.

People should not feel that they cannot earn a living in their chosen home. On an individual level is this not just a perception - it is a fact that there is no other way to make near the maximum PvE income with so little risk - and people are leaving more dangerous space because of this.

EDIT: I'll just add a personal anecdote to highlight how important risk vs. reward is. I am a mostly solo player, but I am now quite comfortable leaving highsec and doing many things in the game. The first time I went to lowsec was to set up a PI operation. Why? Because the planets offered significantly more reward than highsec so I took the risk. The first time I went to null? It was for exploration sites for exactly the same reason. Now I make most of my income trading, but if I want to relax with some PvE I run gas sites in wormholes as although it is risky, is the most lucrative way to mine for a solo player to mine and I don't mind taking that risk for the greater reward.

But if I gave up trading and want to scale up my PvE activities to make the most ISK for a specific goal? Looking at what is on offer there is no choice. I would have to grind highsec incursions (or possibly lowsec FW missions) because nothing else holds a candle to the risk vs. reward balance for making ISK.

Risk vs. reward matters. It does influence people's gameplay. And right now people are being forced to run highsec incursions whether they like them or not.

And inherently pays a very substantial portion of the ISK sinks to keep the system healthy.

Definitely a myth that it is risk-free - I've lost billions before to fat finger order modifications.



Nyaah.

The real marketplace has always been anonymous to professionals. Amateurs proclaim their presence, positions and exposure with tens of billions ISK-worth of commodities in a single sell order.

Or you can go get your job back at walmart, work a weekend, and keep your account going all year w/o needed to farm your life away. Just a thought...

And kill mails.

Wonder if somebody will start null sec pve nerf threads.

There is no whine as I don't run incursions. I'm simply annoyed by the huge amount of "nurf dat" number of threads that popped up after fuzzy sov made isk ticks uncertain in the blue goatze.

Btw, what risk there is behind renting ratting space in null?

You can tell him and people who think like him that over and over and over and over again, complete with screen shots of your own wallet and a video of you yourself flying a ship in a high sec incursion fleet and they will STILL default to that "you are just jealous of other people's income" line.

They have to do that, people who know they are wrong have to modify the terms of the argument to make themselves less wrong, as this is way easier than acknowledging an uncomfortable (and less profitable...) truth. The funny thing is most of the people supporting an obviously broken system don't even run incursions of any kind at all, they are simply defending their 'ideological homeland' aka High sec.

I am pretty important as is my allice

And what exactly does the above have to do with anything. Also, why no comparison to how much isk Incursion community leaders are skimming off the top (you know it's they who provide the boosters who get tipped after every site by 40-50 people in fleet, as well as usually being the same people who seed the incursion focus markets with needed items and even run ship transport services).

That alliance leader guy is at risk of losing his space thus not being able to rent, NOTHING but the closing of Tranquility can stop the money train enjoyed by the (at best) couple dozen individuals who dominate the Incursions Communities. So again, why are you worried about null leaders when ignoring the same behavior from incursion community leaders?



I don't rat in a carrier. I rat in Deadspace fit Machariels and Tengus and Ishtars and Gilas and the occasional Rattlesnake . And I go into hostile territory (Scalding Pass, Detorid, even Curse) with them all the time. Can't post killmails here, but I lost a rattlesnake in Wicked Creek on an alt on the 6th of last month. You can find it on zkillboard, that alt is in the same corp you see me in. Ironic thing is that it was NCDot, my former alliance, that killed me.

From the sounds of it, you don't have much experience with PVE, or with null, and probably not with incursions specifically.

I figured as much, because most of the people that defend such an obviously broken situation tend to be that way.

The actual truth is that incursion runners KNOW that it's crazy to make that kind of income in the safety of high sec and are just milking it because it exists, I sure as hell was. Hellfire, a sizable portion of the incursion running community are people like me (non-high sec players using high sec alt).

I have not run high sec incursions since I came back to null about 2 months ago, but last time I did I was on TVP comms and people were talking openly about their null alliances. One guy even posted a killmail in teamspeak chat, of a Sabre that his AFK ISHTAR (he has 3 of them running while he incursions....and still makes more from the incursion btw) had just auto-killed somewhere up north (the ishtar character was a member of 'Get Off My Lawn').


But yea, color me surprised that you don't know a thing about the thing you decided to post about lol.