EVE General Discussion

I'd be interested to see what would happen if the payouts for mom sites were significantly increased (in propotion to HQ sites, anyway). There's no incentive to kill them when you could run two HQ sites and make the same payout in less time with fewer people.


They already do, sort of. They're not quick about it though.

EVE is harsh.

But just change the system benefits like incursions does in the systems. You could use SP, attack FW, pirate missions, or attack opposing NPCs. Just give the nullbears some better PVE so they don't feel left out of high sec incursions.

Another Brave Newbie and future FozzieSov resident railroaded by our corrupt and self-serving HiSec incursion system.

Seriously, I have the utmost respect for brave and their mission. I really hope things turn around and they make Sov work for you and fun groups like Brave. You should convince enough of your Brave people to either post in this thread or raise these issues to their CSM representative.

That's very subjective.

So the bots are distributed in a similar manner to the player base, shock horror, also bots being 'concentrated' in those regions of space highly suggests a whole lot of mining bots rather than anything else in highsec. So.... your point? That 7 years ago they nerfed belt ratting a little?

Mike, they have a presentation of the same in pdf format - http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67092/1/Fanfest_2015_-_Team_Security_-_Better_Safe_Than_Sorry.pdf

Fascinating slide on page 17, relevant to Incursions as well, or is that especially?

While the lion share are still in HS, there are more and more region in null that have dots appearing for banned bots in NS on the heat map pages 41-42 and 44-45. For all the "bots aren't a thing in null" speak, the heat map show many region used to not even show up on the heat map and do now.

i dont see anywhere where she claimed to represent the opinion of brave what on earth are you talking about?

Sitting in a trade hub and buying/selling has no risk what so ever. Please remove that cash cow from the game.

And please make it so I don't have to leave the safety of my nullsec zerg of death to make isk.

We are wandering off topic, here.

I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.

muddy water

If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?

Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.

Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.

No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)

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