Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There are a few ways to deal with the future of mining

1) rorqual turns into a moon mining platform, blasting rocks out of moons and making a moon asteroid belt for smaller mining vessels to scoop.

2) moon mining would require a rorqual to dock at it to actually mine (player activated)

3) mining array requires fuel, turns on and creates a asteroid belt around the moon for which people can mine moongoop from.

4) mining array blasts and tractors off the moon surface small and large chunks of moon rocks. Rorqual scoops and devowers massive rocks ( can do the same for asteroid belts).

Basically I would like to see moon mining take a more active part with the players as a whole and with miners specifically. Make their mining capital ship a MINING Capital ship.

We need to get away from mass alt afk moon operations. There are other ideas besides the above, but avoid any and all automatic mining setups. You will take the fun away from miners (and yes there are people who enjoy mining).

Hey after reading the new dev blog. I like the where they are going.

However I think the medium citadel structure should not be on the ship scanner that is easily with an easy warp to. The reason is that if a person has a structure just for there own personal use this would make it to vulnerable when they are offline. I do think you should be able to see them on Dscan and be able to scan them down with probes. Make the attackers do some work for the smaller structures. People scan down tractor units and depots in high sec just to kill the structures for the loot. These structures will be plenty vulnerable enough with out making it easy to warp to the structure.

I do like the idea though of if you have roles your alliance structures will show up on your overview.

Also maybe make there be more roles for using structures instead of the 2 we currently got.
Example. Reaction Engineer - has roles to load and change reaction schematics.
Industry Engineer - has roles to change assemble setups

Allow corp directors and CEO to assign roles that allow use and functionality without the person have the access to offline and unanchor the whole structure.

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this or if it has been discussed already.

Corp Hangers, here is how my small corp uses them and I think WH people will like my idea.
Most of the members have multiple accounts and we each get a hanger access but as we grow some people have to share.

I would like to see all these new structures have the ability for player shared hanger, ones that the player sets up not the corp CEO and that player picks what characters have access to it (and what kind view, put, take). I also think that this should not be limited to corp mates, you should be able to share with characters outside the corp you are in.

We all have set up a Tower that only we have access to because we set a password and don't give corp access to it. But we still have to have the roles to use the thing we put up in that tower. With this idea you can have Charter Shared hangers in them and only those can get to it.

Another thing that needs to be fixed is in the new structures is how much space is left empty with out having to look in every hanger! even the CEO has to look in every hanger and open up a calculator and add up what is used to find out how much is left.

This will relieve the CEO and Directors from having to set up roles then wait until that person gets on and see if they got it right for what he needs, the try again repeat till members is happy then take aspirin for the head ache. Also the trust issue, who is sharing this hanger do I really know him can I leave this valuable thing here?!

Thoughts?

Heres a Question I haven't seen anyone ask yet

How will mobile siphon units adapt to the new structures?

If your drilling platform is an active process then siphons become useless since everyone will see you place it, but if its not, how do we determine what it can harvest?

Will it steal during the reprocessing or compressing process? Will they reserve some of the mined materials directly?

please open moon mining up to the masses as a higher tier PI. the vast majority of moon goo is handled by very few people at the top of alliance leadership at the expense of its members. Not only are these profits often pocketed by these individuals but some even go as far as to engage in RMT. Moon goo production should be accessible to any and all that wish to take the time to engage in it.

the problem is the people who "defend" are not getting paid to do it. The vast majority of wealth generated goes into very few pockets while the rest get a slice in the form of partial srp, and even then its mostly from their own tax. if you wanted to moon mine a higher tier moon in the space your alliance controls forget it. its not going to happen as they would never let you have one, and even if they did who is to say your corporation would let you put it up, or not take half or more of your product? No, right now it is absolutely controlled by the few at the expense of others, and I've seen said leadership engaging in RMT first hand. Current mechanics are unhealthy thus should be opened up to the individual to force alliances and corporation leadership to share the wealth with their isk starved membership, and maybe people would actually enjoy calling null home.

I highly sympathize with your point. Nobody is forced to fly for an alliance or for the people who pocket the moon goo income, though. The people who do, they must do it for some reason. So maybe they are not paid in shares of the goo income, but in some other commodity, in exchange for being part of that alliance. If a pilot is unhappy with the state of affairs in his alliance, he can always leave it.
Since "those people" depend on so many pilots willing to fly in the defence of said moon POSes, the best way to stop them keeping that income to themselves is not to fly for them.

Find a group or organize a group that is a) powerful enough to hold such a moon and b) shares the revenue from it fairly.

AFK Mining or using Drilling Platforms will allow the miners to train to be combat pilots so the constant whine that is heard across New Eden from PvPer's not having enough targets to shoot at will be fulfilled.


With the new Entosis Link being able to breech Jove space using the link to breech W-Space for such transfer of modules and ships from K to W-Space shouldn't be too difficult.

Extremely costly, yes, but impossible, no.

This assumes that all those miners actually want to become combat pilots. Mainly they don't. They especially don't want to simply be targets for PvPers to shoot at.

Mining should never be a truly AFK activity. If a miner goes AFK whilst their barge is in space they should fully expect CODE to reduce it to slag every now and then.

So, let's see a MAJOR and COMPLETE rework of the ENITRE T2 production chain.

If your maths are correct, at 8M/hr for Dysprosium, it sounds like a crappy amount of ISK to make per hour if you were making as much Dy per hour as a POS does, and it was an activity being done by someone in, say, a Hulk.

However, the key nugget of wisdom you are conveniently forgetting in this whole equation is that the POS, for the handsome cost of about 480M ISK in fuel each month, produces 5,760M Dy per month with absolutely zero input from a player.

So, apples and oranges on that front. But that's 5,760,000,000 ISK with no real risk to any player, and no real player input.

So let's say that moon mining gets converted to a PI activity run from drilling platforms anchored around Dysprosium moons. If you make 8M per hour as a guy running a PI setup on a Dysprosium moon, you'll be making 5,760,000,000 per month. Except of course, now your drilling platform, which doesn't have the guns and defences of a Citadel, is vulnerable to some clown with an Entosis link turning off your drilling platform's drill.

You probably, therefore, have to actually manage the platform in some fashion. People have to defend the platform actively, or their nominal 5,760,000,000 ISK per month starts to dwindle. It becomes more than a one man job, done for the alliance.

Or, let's assume you forget to refresh the cycle. You lose money, Dy production.

Or let's assume that you can anchor more than one drill on a dysprosium moon. Oh. My. Glob. Honey, you've got competition, girlfriend. Maybe more dysprosium gets produced.

In the end, I look forward to entosis pinging moon goo drills, or depending on anchoring times, etc, maybe you can sneakily jack up a small drill off a dysprosium moon and leave it mining for a few hours during the off TZ of the sov holding alliance, and ninja yourself wads of Dyspro.

But at the end of the day, a more active, dynamic and entosisable moon goo architecture is coming and all this claptrap about how the T2 market is going to collapse is just hurfing and blurfing from the owners of the current monopoly. Bawww. See these tears, they are from the crocodiles.