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Faction lockout question

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Pierre CaDiZzle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-05-20 13:23:46 UTC
Hello,

I have a question about faction warfare. If I were to participate in say, Caldari FW, as a new player. Are the negatives of being locked out of faction space considerable?

I'm trying to avoid making a decision that in the long run will hinder me greatly.

Thank you
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-05-20 14:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Yes there are. You cannot dock in any low sec station in a system occupied by the opposing militia. This can have consequences if you have stuff/ships in a system with is 'Flipped' (Taken over) by the other side. This often happens if you are away from the game for a while and come back to find the map changed.

The work around, is to contract your stuff to a neutral alt and have them dock and pick it up.

Also, you will be chased around hi sec by the opposing factions NPC navy in their space. This is no big deal, and you can still dock no problem. The only time its been a problem for me is when I've been disconnected from the game and logged back in to find myself in my pod :(

Finally there is the obvious standing drop with whoever you shoot.

But none of these consequences are anything too detrimental. And they are not permanent.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Memphis Baas
#3 - 2015-05-20 14:42:43 UTC
The Gallente and Minmatar navies will harass you in every system you enter that's above the sec. threshold. They're not insta-death Concord, but they can become extremely annoying if you discover you have to move through with large ships.

The negative standings effects CAN be mitigated by training some of the skills in the Social category, so you CAN recover your standings with a little bit of effort and patience.
Pierre CaDiZzle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-05-20 18:53:59 UTC
Oh, so you dont get insta popped like you do for attacking a player in High Sec by concord?

My impression of it was if you go into Gallente Space there would be a concord eske response.
Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2015-05-20 19:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Pierre CaDiZzle wrote:
concord eske response.


Not even close, they do get stronger in the higher sec systems but .5 systems you can easily tank and kill them. They give you enough time before they engage that they are not an issue unless you are lollygagging or have a very slow to align ship.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-05-20 20:43:57 UTC
correct me if I am wrong but faction navies do not warp scram right? So he can always get away?

Also if you ever wanted to drop FW and get your faction standings with Gallente and Minmatar back up above KoS status you can just run SoE mission in Caldari or Amarr space without ever even entering the regions that have you as KoS.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-05-20 20:55:06 UTC
Have a look here http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Factional_Warfare_Standings

You can join/leave FW anytime, but beware of activities dunking faction standings. Once wrecked those are very difficult to repair, and restrict your options in half of highsec. If you just want to fight, you can also keep neutral and deal with the sec status loss, which is much easier to manage thanks to the clone soldier tags.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-05-20 20:56:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
ergherhdfgh wrote:
correct me if I am wrong but faction navies do not warp scram right? So he can always get away?

Also if you ever wanted to drop FW and get your faction standings with Gallente and Minmatar back up above KoS status you can just run SoE mission in Caldari or Amarr space without ever even entering the regions that have you as KoS.

Have to correct you, they point and web, but MWD should work (never tried).

I'm my own NPC alt.

Velarra
#9 - 2015-05-20 22:13:46 UTC
Should you need to repair your faction standings in the future, in order to casually travel anywhere if you leave faction war, here's the plan you can follow to fix negative faction standings:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#10 - 2015-05-20 23:18:20 UTC
Velarra wrote:
Should you need to repair your faction standings in the future, in order to casually travel anywhere if you leave faction war, here's the plan you can follow to fix negative faction standings:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan


Interesting, and to check that I am I reading it right that even if my standings were the worst possible -10, I would just have to do 16 missions + a storyline one to get them faction standings back to where I can move through their highsec systems?

@lunettelulu7

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2015-05-21 01:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Tipa Riot wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
correct me if I am wrong but faction navies do not warp scram right? So he can always get away?

Also if you ever wanted to drop FW and get your faction standings with Gallente and Minmatar back up above KoS status you can just run SoE mission in Caldari or Amarr space without ever even entering the regions that have you as KoS.

Have to correct you, they point and web, but MWD should work (never tried).

i think they scram but iv never tested to see if the mjd works,
i have seen the scram icon but that means nothing with npc's

they are tankable, hell even farmable but its not worth the time or effort
and you need something with a fairly big active tank to do it
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Should you need to repair your faction standings in the future, in order to casually travel anywhere if you leave faction war, here's the plan you can follow to fix negative faction standings:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan


Interesting, and to check that I am I reading it right that even if my standings were the worst possible -10, I would just have to do 16 missions + a storyline one to get them faction standings back to where I can move through their highsec systems?


no it requires considerably more than that.
that said being kill on sight wouldent stop you from moving through their terratory provided you do not idle in space
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-05-21 02:25:48 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:


Interesting, and to check that I am I reading it right that even if my standings were the worst possible -10, I would just have to do 16 missions + a storyline one to get them faction standings back to where I can move through their highsec systems?


I did not read it but I can tell you that faction gains are expressed as a percentage of the distance from where you are to perfect which is 10. Therefore the lower your standing the faster it will raise.

Gallente has SoE set as 8.0 standing which means 80% of your SoE faction standings will be duplicated for Gallente. So if you are below -2.0 with Gallente your probably better off running SoE L4s rather than Gallente L1's. Either way you should raise up to positive territory pretty quick.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-05-21 06:09:46 UTC
But how do you run missions in "enemy" territory?

I'm my own NPC alt.

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-05-21 10:55:00 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
But how do you run missions in "enemy" territory?

If you are KoS I'd try to avoid it. If you feel the need to then you can accept missions and go to the site in a pod to give your alt or a friend a warp in and have the alt / friend do the mission for you. However I don't see any situation where that would be needed.

I've not been really low standing but some options that I can think of off the top of my head are doing missions for that faction in low sec where there is no navy until you are no longer KoS (which I think is above -5.0 in 5.0 high sec). The other thing I can think of is running missions for a faction with high derived standings gains which you can figure out from looking at the standings of the faction that you are trying to repair. So factions like : SoE, Thukker Tribe, Ammatar Mandate, Mordu's Legion Command.

However the simplest answer I believe someone else already posted here which is find a corp for the faction which you want to raise that has agents in stations located in friendly or at least not KoS space. I know that I've seen Gallente owned stations in Caldari space etc....

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-05-21 11:14:53 UTC
While not directly related the faction standing from the level 4 epic arcs is free from hits to opposing faction's standings. They can only be done quarterly so it's not an immediate repair plan but if you were a player in that situation and wanted to eventually have good standing with all 4 empire races then you could run the 4 arcs every three months and eventually you'd get there.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-05-21 11:29:56 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
But how do you run missions in "enemy" territory?

Is something that can tank Jesus Christ himself with it's face because you're going to have to tank the rats and the navy whilst being tackled and webbed.

Think marauder or rattlesnake.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-05-21 11:59:48 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
But how do you run missions in "enemy" territory?

Is something that can tank Jesus Christ himself with it's face because you're going to have to tank the rats and the navy whilst being tackled and webbed.

Think marauder or rattlesnake.

Does not sound fun. Maybe running only low-sec missions would be easier then.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2015-05-21 12:11:06 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
But how do you run missions in "enemy" territory?

Is something that can tank Jesus Christ himself with it's face because you're going to have to tank the rats and the navy whilst being tackled and webbed.

Think marauder or rattlesnake.

Does not sound fun. Maybe running only low-sec missions would be easier then.

It isn't, funny certainly but not fun.