Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Gday all.

I like the idea with the new changes here but i can't get my head around one of them here.


Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner [Meta Level 16 (+3); Powergrid 625; CPU 65 (-1); Activation 290 (+49); Velocity Bonus 165 (+6)%; Overload Bonus 50%]
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner [Meta Level 16 (+3); Powergrid 813 (+63); CPU 50; Activation 290 (-30); Velocity Bonus 165 (+3)%; Overload Bonus 50%]


Are all well and good but the Activation cost is more than an 500MD.
Yes i know some have and Cap Penalty to some of them that are fine and i repect that.
But the:
Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive [Meta Level 16 (+3); Powergrid 1250; CPU 98 (-2); Activation 280 (-44); Cap Penalty 0; Signature Bonus 390 (-32)%; Velocity Bonus 520 (+20)%; Overload Bonus 50%]

Has less Activation of 280 and Zero Cap Penalty than the same one in the Afterburner

Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner [Meta Level 16 (+3); Powergrid 625; CPU 65 (-1); Activation 290 (+49); Velocity Bonus 165 (+6)%; Overload Bonus 50%]

We are not getting any trade-offs apart from fitting
The Afterburner has:

Lower activation cost then the MWD in the same class
No capacitor penalty
No signature penalty
Easier fitting requirements
Don't turn off when Warp Scrambled
And yes, slower
Why is the Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive has better Activation of 280 then Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner of 290?
Doesn't look right to me.

Very interesting, would like to see the official post in here regarding those shield and armour changes.

I tend to agree that meta being all around better than T1 is a bad thing.

They should be better than T1 in some way, but I think the problem is you have to take a look at the main purpose of the module and the stat that most directly affects that.

In this case, there is little reason to choose a T1 MWD/AB since all the meta modules have a better speed boost with other varying bonuses. It would probably be much better to have the current types keep the same speed bonus as a T1, and add a fourth type of MWD/AB that has the speed boost, but otherwise the same stats as the T1.

It's likely most ships will still use the meta variations, but it does even the playing field a BIT toward T1 still being viable.


This should hold true for all meta variations after metacide: only have the module improved in the one specific aspect.

I'd actually say put it at the front, so we would have eg. Y-S8 Compact 1MN Afterburner, so we can search for "Compact 1MN Afterburner" or "1MN afterburner"

How often do you search for all sizes of a certain type rather than all types of a certain size?

Reality is the Atron will get webbed if the kestrel is ABing, maybe even double webbed to take advantage of furies. The Atron will get kited if the kestrel is MWD fit and lose.

In either case the 40% dmg reduction is as superfluous as micro shield extenders.

Rather than deciding the word order to make searching more convenient, change the market search to be initial substrings of words with any number of words between the search terms. Writing the code to make a regular expression from a search string like this takes less than ten minutes.

Null hits scram kiters decently well with an atron....but yes the atron will be webbed, so the AB doesn't actually do a whole lot as far as mitigating damage. It does let you close and out dps the crap out of the kestrel though.

However If you are flying an MWD atron your purpose is not to brawl with an AB target anyway, it's to chase down would be kiters.

I was trying to bring to attention that, any ABing Atron being hit by light missiles already lost, reduced damage or not, because light missiles imply range which in its own flavor implies kite and speed.

Hence damage reduction from AB is a moot point. If the parallel is drawn to logi ships and such, all that is managed by putting more DPS on the target.

Again, ABs are silly outside of dual prop fits.
Should MWDs surpass AB speed at some cost - sure.
Should it be 2.5 times faster though? Seems absolutely arbitrary that MWDs are faster than ABs to a point where the latter has almost no tactical options in a fight. Why is such segregation "intended". In practice rock,paper, scissors only inspires seasonal FOTMs and not actual "balance".

+1 adding the missing metas to 10mn, 100mn, 50mn and 500mn.

Not seen is whether any of the reprocessing materials changes for any of the old-->new items.
Am I safe to assume that reprocessing the existing metas under the new system will yield the same outputs?

or make the fed navy one agility based like their plates are.