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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#121 - 2015-05-19 09:31:26 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:

I didn't dismiss him out a lack of respect. I respect all of the folks on this forum, but his reply was off topic. I don't care what you fit the ship with, or for what role. I am just saying it isn't the ship the designers make it out to be. They are fun to fly, but are largely impractical for too much of the game. Especially for the skill points required.


How was it off topic?

You said fly destroyers and BC, I said battleships will crush them. That is entirely on topic.

Also how are they impractical?
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2015-05-19 10:05:21 UTC
I have only recently got into BS PvP but been having fun along with reasonable success in the Dominix. The only issue i have with them is the outright miserable lock time on anything smaller than a cruiser. Whilst Sebo's are an option the mids are very precious for much needed utility and you can rarely afford the luxury to fit one. That said they are not platforms to be taking out frigates and they might end up being too strong if you buffed the lock time.

Perhaps I am wearing rose tinted glasses however since the Domi is clearly one of the best choices for solo/small gang, (good application/good slot layout) but i have yet to think they are bad in anyway with well thought out fits.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2015-05-19 10:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Aza Ebanu
Switch Savage wrote:
I have only recently got into BS PvP but been having fun along with reasonable success in the Dominix. The only issue i have with them is the outright miserable lock time on anything smaller than a cruiser. Whilst Sebo's are an option the mids are very precious for much needed utility and you can rarely afford the luxury to fit one. That said they are not platforms to be taking out frigates and they might end up being too strong if you buffed the lock time.

Perhaps I am wearing rose tinted glasses however since the Domi is clearly one of the best choices for solo/small gang, (good application/good slot layout) but i have yet to think they are bad in anyway with well thought out fits.

The Domi is in a class of its own. It is a really good ship. Fortunately, drone boats scale nicely because of the drones and utility.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#124 - 2015-05-19 10:51:18 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
I have only recently got into BS PvP but been having fun along with reasonable success in the Dominix. The only issue i have with them is the outright miserable lock time on anything smaller than a cruiser. Whilst Sebo's are an option the mids are very precious for much needed utility and you can rarely afford the luxury to fit one. That said they are not platforms to be taking out frigates and they might end up being too strong if you buffed the lock time.

Perhaps I am wearing rose tinted glasses however since the Domi is clearly one of the best choices for solo/small gang, (good application/good slot layout) but i have yet to think they are bad in anyway with well thought out fits.



Check out the geddon

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W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2015-05-19 12:16:29 UTC
Or the phoon.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2015-05-19 13:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Malcanis wrote:
Check out the geddon


W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Or the phoon.


Dont even get started on Pirate or Navy BattleShips.... Roll

No Worries
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2015-05-19 13:58:50 UTC
No i think thats about it, domi, geddon and phoon, maybe raven. From navy an pirate stuff navy domi, mach and rattler - rest is terrible.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#128 - 2015-05-19 16:17:04 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Aza Ebanu wrote:
On paper damage and theoretical fleets, are impractical for this discussion. On paper, battleships put out a lot of damage. In practice, they are not so impressive.

Again, there are very few practical reasons to use a battleship. Yes you can fit one to be a flyswatter. But why not fly a destroyer? Or a battle cruiser?


Because both of those melt before a well fitted and flown battleship.


Dismissed as circumstantial.



Perhaps some hard evidence?

Or should I say some MORE since you ignored the golem stomping ALL THE THINGS.


Also, dismissing Baltecs advice on battleships is like ignoring a doctor in favour of listening to the guy in the park shouting at the trees...

I didn't dismiss him out a lack of respect. I respect all of the folks on this forum, but his reply was off topic. I don't care what you fit the ship with, or for what role. I am just saying it isn't the ship the designers make it out to be. They are fun to fly, but are largely impractical for too much of the game. Especially for the skill points required.


But you endorse the big BC's, which take 95% of the SP to effectively fly as a BS. Brilliant. I can see you sat down and did the math on this.

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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#129 - 2015-05-19 16:21:39 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No i think thats about it, domi, geddon and phoon, maybe raven. From navy an pirate stuff navy domi, mach and rattler - rest is terrible.


You missed out the mega, hype, apoc, scorpion, pest, navy pest, navy mega, kronos, golem and so on. Hell even the old maelstrom and rohk alpha fleets are still very viable in low and highsec wars.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#130 - 2015-05-19 17:24:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No i think thats about it, domi, geddon and phoon, maybe raven. From navy an pirate stuff navy domi, mach and rattler - rest is terrible.


You missed out the mega, hype, apoc, scorpion, pest, navy pest, navy mega, kronos, golem and so on. Hell even the old maelstrom and rohk alpha fleets are still very viable in low and highsec wars.


Ffs why does everyone forget the vargur, navy apoc, vindicator, paladin and phoon fleet issue Lol

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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#131 - 2015-05-19 18:07:01 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No i think thats about it, domi, geddon and phoon, maybe raven. From navy an pirate stuff navy domi, mach and rattler - rest is terrible.

I dont see how you can dismiss the vindi.
Klaus Tylar
Tylar United Freight
#132 - 2015-05-19 19:22:19 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No i think thats about it, domi, geddon and phoon, maybe raven. From navy an pirate stuff navy domi, mach and rattler - rest is terrible.


I find your lack of Rokh on that list quite disturbing.
Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2015-05-19 21:27:07 UTC
I honestly don't know about you OP, but if a frig is approaching my Mach, its dead before it can get 50km. If not it will quickly die to drones. As for multiple frigs, well same fate cause it only takes one shot from the mach. just sayin
Valkin Mordirc
#134 - 2015-05-19 23:29:30 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No i think thats about it, domi, geddon and phoon, maybe raven. From navy an pirate stuff navy domi, mach and rattler - rest is terrible.



So Bhalgorn, Vindi, Mach, from the private line are ****?



....Why?
#DeleteTheWeak
Derrick Diggler
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2015-05-20 00:05:23 UTC
This is such a silly thread. but ok.

So battleships are horrible and should not be trained.... Battleship fleets will get obliterated EVERY time by t3 fleets ....

Imperium : Dominix doctrine after Mega doctrine. Staples for any large fight. We have dunked quite a few t3 fleets. Just saying.
TRI : Rattlesnake doctrine
Provi Block : Nightmare doctrine
NC. (or thereabouts) : Raven doctrine
PL: TFI doctrine
Lots of people flying Machariels as well. Either mixed in or as a stand alone.
Also navy apocs are quite popular (I know CO2 flies those). Probably missing a few too.

To say battleships are bad because you do not like them is ... silly ... like this thread ...
Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2015-05-20 03:25:22 UTC
Delete T3 anything, and remove bonused heavy and sentry drones from smaller ship classes.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2015-05-20 09:33:22 UTC
All the navy and pirate BS have theyre strengths and uses (yes even the nestor... a bill isk hull tho lol)

My only issue with BS's are theyre vulnerability to Bombs, and slow allign/warp in general ... Everything else is just meta

No Worries
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#138 - 2015-05-21 20:55:06 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
All the navy and pirate BS have theyre strengths and uses (yes even the nestor... a bill isk hull tho lol)

My only issue with BS's are theyre vulnerability to Bombs, and slow allign/warp in general ... Everything else is just meta


Armour BS fleets don't worry about bombs and align/warp times are easily delt with.
Eridon Hermetz
Diplomatie Rapide
Wreckflix and chill
#139 - 2015-05-21 21:04:25 UTC
see the light guys , and fly black ops , they are completely fine in the current meta properly fitted/flyed !

how to not fly trough gate and lost time ? black ops and their ability to jump directly on top of your target ! bwahahaha
Shin Katsumoto
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2015-05-21 22:08:13 UTC
Battleships are large loot pinatas and CCP recently said that they will not be improving them so I guess they want them to be loot pinatas? And it makes sense too since many people want to fly a large shiny ship because it is large and shiny so that makes them the perfect loot pinatas.

They should have much better tank than they do.