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Nothing to see here: CCP spends $20 million and hides its financials

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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#21 - 2015-05-16 17:53:40 UTC
It is clear to me that CCP have to have some finance issues. Dust 514 was released two years ago and it is subscription fee free game. This means there should be large microtransaction system for Dust 514. Has anyone heard NES store for Dust 514? Now there is also Valkyrie project coming in and it is still not bringing money in. It just eats away money now. World of Darkness ended in disaster and created huge money loss. Project legion is planned also.

Sure just say everything is fine. I don't believe it.

Now when this money issue came up there were something strange in EVE fanfest money figures. They were released in fanfest and my first thought was that there's zero missing from those figures. They weren't even nearly right size.

Amount of money coming from fanfest:
Amount of fanfest attendees x average amount of money they use for CCP services.

Profit is then completely different thing. There are expenses like salaries, taxes, rents and so on.

I still believe in EVE. With right development it could be so much more than it is now. There should be more possibilities for solo work and more possibilities for small corporations and PVP should aim to have more small and medium size fights. Large fights are hard since system has problem of handling them.

Mikhem

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#22 - 2015-05-16 19:17:37 UTC
WoD was written off several years ago
Dust 514 is making CCP money.
We have no idea what is happening with 'Legion'. Note, they may have decided to release under a different name so that anyone googling it won't get the Rage threads over Legion from the Fanfest release. Or it may not have even been given a green light at all. They were way early releasing any information about it at all.
So.... All we know is they have two games making them money, and that they are developing a third.... sounds healthy to me.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-05-16 21:56:41 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know. Roll
Internet friend, if I was actually investing money in CCP I'd ask a couple of questions.

But I'm not, I pay 45 euros and get back 30 days of joyful playing and shitposting on 3 accounts, I expect no further return on my cash.

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Robby Altair
#24 - 2015-05-16 22:12:39 UTC
Congratulation to CCP Games coming through their first year after restructuring. Good Job.

Related link:
Layoffs hit Eve Online studio CCP

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-05-16 22:38:59 UTC
Some people are just desperate to see CCP fall; its most noticible amoungst advocates of features and gameplay styles that either were never realised, or got severely nerfed/reduced. Its because they have long ago stopped getting joy from the game, and dearly want EvE to collapse, so they can point to their lost feature and say "see, I told you all along not finishing this would destroy the game, vindication!"

You see this in every game that has lived long enough to see changes, or to not make changes people cried out for.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-05-17 05:45:24 UTC
Its because they arent sticking to what they were good at; developing story and content for EvE.

Tidying it up and crushing bugs. Etc.

Marketing EvE in new venues to pull in more numbers.

The bad thing to do is to try to worry about retaining players. You need to let players come and go as they please, because there will always be more coming in and more leaving.

The blue donut is a thing because the players decided to make the game in nullsec boring for themselves rather than risk losing it all and getting beaten back to highsec. You can't fix people being intelligent enough to figure out how to negotiated peace treaties to protect their virtual valuables. Let them get bored and go, because its their own fault.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices

Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#27 - 2015-05-17 10:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikhem
It seems that EVE store has been offline over month and half now. Another good example of taking care of business. I would expect to see notification in advance if service planned to be closed. Now people needed to find on their own that EVE store is closed. Weird! EVE store is store that sells physical goodies. It is not NES store that sells virtual goods.

Relevant links:
EVE online store
FYI Musterbrand EVE sale!
Real Life EvE Apparels, where to get?!

edit: Added explanation about what is EVE store and EVE store link.

edit 2:
In fanfest there were no keychains for sale and they were promised in this dev blog.

Mikhem

Link library to EVE music songs.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#28 - 2015-05-17 20:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Some people are just desperate to see CCP fall; its most noticible amoungst advocates of features and gameplay styles that either were never realised, or got severely nerfed/reduced. Its because they have long ago stopped getting joy from the game, and dearly want EvE to collapse, so they can point to their lost feature and say "see, I told you all along not finishing this would destroy the game, vindication!"

You see this in every game that has lived long enough to see changes, or to not make changes people cried out for.

Oh, and why would I subscribe for next two years? Because I did. If you would see my other posts, its all about making this game better, and you can't do that without shaking CCP sometimes. Amount of shaking should always come proportional to the CCP turtling up.

I would like to see director letter sometimes, its time he should write something himself.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#29 - 2015-05-18 11:52:39 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Goons won Eve and ...
The 80% in High Sec, "What are Goons?"

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#30 - 2015-05-18 13:42:04 UTC
Wel, the ball bounced up an down, and now there's a whole story with plenty of details and some interesting speculation, courtesy of Nosy Gamer:

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/bond-geddon-what-we-know.html

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2015-05-18 14:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Wel, the ball bounced up an down, and now there's a whole story with plenty of details and some interesting speculation, courtesy of Nosy Gamer:

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/bond-geddon-what-we-know.html



The TL;DR of that is "EVE itself is doing fine, it was CCPs attempt to venture out into the land of the 'others' (people who wanted vampires, and walking around stuff, and instant gratification shooting games ie non-EVe type players) that caused the problems, CCP should probably stick to what it knows how to do (EVE Online, a PvP focused sandbox MMO), and mainly ignore all the people who suggest that CCP should change the focus of EVE because it's that focus that is working right now".

Must suck when reality puts a bullet through your worldview, huh?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#32 - 2015-05-18 16:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
Must suck when reality puts a bullet through your worldview, huh?


Is that the bullet you are referring to?

Venture into the land of others?I have seen only CCP's managerial nightmare, courtesy of the guy who worked there. Inexperienced people working as managers.
Its straight way to fail, wherever you want to venture.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#33 - 2015-05-18 16:55:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Wel, the ball bounced up an down, and now there's a whole story with plenty of details and some interesting speculation, courtesy of Nosy Gamer:

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/bond-geddon-what-we-know.html



The TL;DR of that is "EVE itself is doing fine, it was CCPs attempt to venture out into the land of the 'others' (people who wanted vampires, and walking around stuff, and instant gratification shooting games ie non-EVe type players) that caused the problems, CCP should probably stick to what it knows how to do (EVE Online, a PvP focused sandbox MMO), and mainly ignore all the people who suggest that CCP should change the focus of EVE because it's that focus that is working right now".

Must suck when reality puts a bullet through your worldview, huh?


All good companies need to look to the future. It's the same reason why music producers look for new boy bands, Car makers introduce new body styles, oil companies search for new oil fields.
Even when the barn is full of produce, a farmer has to plant seeds for next year.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#34 - 2015-05-18 18:12:11 UTC
I don;t think venturing into other ralemes is a bad thing. EVE can not be your only product, if you wan tto succesed, but you have to know your limits. WoD could of been great, but they put too much focus on the wrong things, and it causes issues.

Dust would of been fine had CCP not promised this grandious vision and gave us 'meh'

Valk seems ot have learned form this, there is no 'this will be linked to eve' so if valk fails it won;t really hurt eve, and if it successed it could do alot of good in the future. CCP should really pull back form consoles and focus on the pc.

IMO the vision showne at FF'14 EVE, Valk and Legion all on pc, all lnked, all playing together, should be the goal. That would make eve comeptitive if they really want to try and complete with SC. Otherwise no link just different games. Warcraft 3 has no link to wow. So valk can just be a game base din New Eden but stand alone. As can dust.

Or they could eventualy combine and make a kick ass scifi sim. but meh.

anyway i am honestly not worried about ccp's finances, the last report we saw, said they were down only 200k total. Which really is not bad. Dust is profitable, eve seems stable, not quite free falling, but not growng really fast (if you go by long in numbers) so there is room to improve. but i'm paid on 4 accounts for a year so i believe eve will still be here.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#35 - 2015-05-18 22:23:00 UTC
There was grocery store closed for major reworking few years back where I live. In advance grocery store had note on wall telling about coming temporary closure of grocery store and there was estimated day when it was suppose to reopen again. Grocery store opened that day and major reworking took whole two and half week.

Now compare this story to closure of EVE store and start laughing. I start crying since I want to see CCP handle its finances responsible way. EVE future vision becomes very blurred if financial situation is very uncertain. I think current future vision is very good for EVE. Taking care of finances just suck big time. If CCP is sold we start seeing something like ponies in space or something.

Mikhem

Link library to EVE music songs.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#36 - 2015-05-18 23:52:26 UTC
Mikhem wrote:
There was grocery store closed for major reworking few years back where I live. In advance grocery store had note on wall telling about coming temporary closure of grocery store and there was estimated day when it was suppose to reopen again. Grocery store opened that day and major reworking took whole two and half week.

Now compare this story to closure of EVE store and start laughing. I start crying since I want to see CCP handle its finances responsible way. EVE future vision becomes very blurred if financial situation is very uncertain. I think current future vision is very good for EVE. Taking care of finances just suck big time. If CCP is sold we start seeing something like ponies in space or something.



Your anology however is flawed.

This would be more appropriate:

Owner of the building that said store is in lost his contract with big food comapny a. Big food company a, which stocksl the shelves of his store was not making enough enough money, or just decided they did not want to stock that store anymore.

Building owner will now have to scramble to try to find a new big food company b to stock his selves. He ill have to negotiate a new contract, figure out what proudct to carry, dicuss his profit vs theres, and then redesign the entire store and signage as well as file for new copy writes and slogans that are not affiliated with food store a. this will not take a week.

CCP's working relationship with Musterbrand appears to be finished. CCP needs to find another company to do the clothes, design new clothing items, design a new website, formalize said items, and then put website up. This is not a simple change of inventory.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#37 - 2015-05-19 06:03:04 UTC
Hopefully whatever outfit replaces Musterbrand does not have as hideously high prices as they did, lol.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Hrothgar Nilsson
#38 - 2015-05-19 07:29:57 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Or they could eventualy combine and make a kick ass scifi sim. but meh.

Would not be a bad idea if they could eventually integrate DUST into the EVE client. For those who choose to opt-in manually, or during the installation process. It's on a dead console and I can't imagine why Sony would put up any roadblocks, unless they want to be wieners.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#39 - 2015-05-19 12:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Bagrat Skalski wrote:

Oh yes, and this is about this cheaper debt? I see only information about buying out the bonds. But I suppose only fool would take debt that would make it harder to repay in future.

Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know. Roll


But is not the current game play, 'open' discussion about future plans, seeing things getting bettter than worse, the only signs you really need. Even if CCP was failing financially but the game was still fun would you not still keep playing? Or would you stop playing the game, even if it is your most fun point in the games history, knowing that it may sink within the year?


EDIT: fail quote fix, it has been awhile since posting on EvE-O
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#40 - 2015-05-19 16:13:35 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:

Oh yes, and this is about this cheaper debt? I see only information about buying out the bonds. But I suppose only fool would take debt that would make it harder to repay in future.

Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know. Roll


But is not the current game play, 'open' discussion about future plans, seeing things getting bettter than worse, the only signs you really need. Even if CCP was failing financially but the game was still fun would you not still keep playing? Or would you stop playing the game, even if it is your most fun point in the games history, knowing that it may sink within the year?


EDIT: fail quote fix, it has been awhile since posting on EvE-O



In theory, if ccp was fialing, but was still making eve more fun, then they would stop there free fall and pull out. Because if i am havign the most fun i have had in eve, you cna damn sure bet i'll bat phone old eve buddies and go 'guys you have to come back and try it again!'

which reminds me...

CCP WE NEED THE BLOODY RECALL PROGRAM BACK. thanks.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

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