Ships & Modules

With the exception of a few pilots most of you are missing the point and need to re read the OP. I could care less how you fit or fleet a battleship. I am saying: with all the other choices around, there is no good reason to use one. If battleships are your "love boat", that's fine. But don't pretend that you need one or that they play a significant role outside of PVE and structure bashing.

You can PVP in any combat ship, but there really is not a role that battleships do very well that another ship could do with less SP requirements and more efficiency.

EX:
You wanna snipe? Use the large guns BC
Tanking? Just outmaneuver them a la (T2/T3)
Wanna clear out smaller ships? Use Amarr or Gallente crusier or frig
You wanna kill other battleships? Use cap ships

The reasoning:
If you scale the ships based on mass, you are at the top of the scale in the battleship (excluding superior cap ships). It doesn't have any of the advantages that speed and size give you (minimal advantage against a dreadnought). Your weapons systems are the least likeliest to hit for full damage in the game. Yet it has some of the highest skill point requirements. There really isn't a lot of value in the ship class.

I acknowledge that faction battleships have advantages, but for the cost and skill points, you are risking a lot when there are plenty of other choices.


I will say it again. A fleet of properly fit ships is always going to to be better than a solo poorly fit ship. A fleet of properly fit ships is not always better than a fleet of properly fit other ships.

Tidy up a bit.

Wow, look at that, Big Miker hitting smaller ships with big guns, and OMG in the first clip they are unbonused! How is this possible?

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, in the first clip of the first video you used 3 of the 5 recommendations I stated yesterday that OP dismissed because he knows more than me.

I would love to discuss the tempest with you on another thread. Oh boy the things I have to say about that ship!

I think I get it.

You're looking at Frigate and you're telling yourself, TIME TO TRAIN + Cost Associated = Manageable, fun and a good overall ship to use in any circumstance.

You're looking at Cruiser and you're telling yourself, TIME TO TRAIN + Cost Associated = Manageable, fun and a good overall ship to use in many circumstance.

And the list goes on and on until you hit Battleships!

TIME TO TRAIN + Cost Associated = UnManageable, NO fun and only needed in very very "very" special occasion which also create the equation --> TIME TO TRAIN (a.k.a. The years long training) + Cost associated = Finally get to use your nice BS once a month if you're really driven/lucky or just in a good corp)

I'm new to the game (only 2 months in) and my goal is to fly Battleship/Marauder. That's the whole reason I was reading this post. And after hearing both side of the battle... I'm more determined to get a BS/Mar than ever!

I love BS! They are big slow ass ships that are just like the Defensive Lineman in Football. You can't expect them to run fast or catch the ball but they're just as essential. Although this comparison isn't the greatest, you should'nt expect anything else from them.

Go forward into an other hull. Get yourself all kinds of other sexy ships. All this thread has told anyone is that you don't like Battleships cause if you did, you'd be like all the others defending the BS for his use. Accepting the fact it's not the greatest ship but knowing improvement could be made.

And as far as the training time... I'm starting to realize that any ship could take an incredible amount of Skill point/Time if you're dedicated to it!

Just my 2cents

Using a battleship might not be the most common choice to go for, but there are some situations that a battleship is the right tool to use. I can kinda agree that newer players might want to stick to smaller ships at first, but I don't go telling them to NOT train battleships. Eve is a game of knowledge. You need to know what tool (ship) to use to solve a problem.

As a wormhole-dweller, we have to think about the mass of the fleet we bring through a wormhole. You don't usually see many battleships in our fleet's, but there are a few that are quite often seen in fleets, because they do something that no other ship can. Personally I love flying Bhaalgorns in pvp. Or the Armageddon. I've seen people use the Nestor as a replacement for guardians. And of course there is the Vindicator for t3-melting dps and the ability to make a dreadnaught hit a frigate

Training a skill in eve is never waste of time. You might not need it right now, but having it will come in handy at some point.

Theyre niche` because barely anyone flies BCs anymore. If BCs could actually counter cruisers effectively, then BCs would be more common. Meaning BS have a role to fill by killing BCs. Currently, people ignore BCs and just train t2/t3 cruisers. That is why its cruisers online atm.

The ship food chain is broken because of BCs which has put BS in niche' roles since their targets of oppertunity are no where to be found.

Shameless plug incoming: see thread in my sig.

As long as the rattlesnake exists this argument as a whole is bullshit.

Nope. I am not going to let you not include T3s. Again if you re read the first post you will see that I couldn't care less about what fit you used to kill a frig or cruiser, just that for the SP invested, battleships don't do anything smaller ships or cap ship can do better. Except for high sec structure fights/PVE.