Player Features and Ideas Discussion

@Dustpuppy.

Even if you could web it into warp, it's still dead unless you have a POS in system. Can't go to station as it would be bubbled. Ditto gates. Can't safe log off because of webs. Can't really bounce safes because you can be scanned and landed on in seconds. Can't cloak. Can't tank. Even a pos is questionable as it can be prescanned and bubbled in line with JF.

JF in open space is smoked. Other caps have, you know...slots to help them survive.

I think a lot of people have a) never rolled with caps and b) gravely underestimate the persistence and patience of those who hunt them.

You still haven't learned to discuss and answer questions.

And in NPC null? Are they letting them go there?

ed: besides, I hazard you guys would be just as unhappy cynoing to 0 at a citadel. Or did you think they'll have enough shooting power to blap a fleet gunning for a JF?

This thread has a lot of people asking loaded questions.
What if I there's hostiles on the undock? What if there's a drive-by Titan doomsday? What if I get probed down before I can warp?

It might be helpful to take a few steps back in the logical sequence to figure out how you got to those question. They all seem based on the idea that you NEED to be out there in your big, slow, expensive, defenseless, Tech II, capital class hauler.
Well, you don't.
EVE survived before you took it upon yourself to be the market upholder in null sec.
EVE survived before jump freighters.
EVE survived before there were gigantic coalitions and supercapital blobs and fleet doctrines and whatever other justification there is for needing mountains of material to magically disappear in Jita and magically reappear in VFK or wherever it is you take them.
And, YOU survived, too.

Now, if you WANT to haul mountains of material from Jita to VFK, or wherever you take it, what mechanisms SHOULD there be in the game to allow you to do that? What mechanisms ARE there in game that allow you to do that? SHOULD those mechanisms be in the game? Are they consistent within the greater paradigm of New Eden?

Instead of telling us that anything will fail besides magical freighter teleportation, perhaps you could tell us why magical freighter teleportation is so successful or how you or we might make the alternatives succeed.

It's not that you're not sandboxing right. READ THIS TWICE - THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU.... AT ALL.

Cynos on a station is a broken part of the sandbox that we are fixing.

It's like this:

My kids sandbox is broken. I get some nails and a new piece of wood to repair the broken part. If you look really really close in the broken corner you see some bugs and a bunch of little ants (you would be one of the little ants) using this small broken portion to move their little ant JF in and out.

You see all the good children step in and out as the sandbox was designed to do. They could trip, fall or skin their knees. They understand the risks and still hop in and play with each other. They have fun interacting with each other. All the while there are these pesky little bugs and ants acting alone in the corner in the broken part JFing their loots in a manner not prescribed by the sandbox manufacturer. If one of the kids want to play with the ants... do the ants play with all the good children?? No, they take their JF into the little crack where no on can interact with them. It's just not right!

So, me the good parent... I fix the broken part of the sand box so all is as the manufacturer prescribed. I'm not even looking at the ants when I repair the broken part. I don't care about them (your just an ant). It's about fixing the sandbox.

Now the ants... OMG the ants. They are up in their little ant arms. "THE SANDBOX WILL BE RUINED" "THE CHILDREN WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY IF YOU FIX THIS LITTLE HOLE" "THIS IS MADNESS... ANTS DESERVE TO PASS FREELY AND HAVE AN IMMEDIATE OPTION TO NOT INTERACT WITH NO ONE, NO WAY NO HOW!!" and so on. For a hand full of little ants - what a ruckus. You'd think the whole point of the sandbox was to allow ants to JF things around and the children playing in the sand was just an afterthough.

The end?? Well almost... With the sand box repaired and working as designed the occaisional child does occaisionally step on an ant getting around propperly, oh and of course there was that one epic magnifying glass incident. Other than that, most of the good children don't really bother with the ants. They don't even notice. They don't even care about JF and ants. They just play all day in the sand.

The end.

Almost zero risk can be attained to any ship given sufficient precautions. You seem to have a problem with their effort level.

It's not a lot different to an alt scouting in a ceptor.


I'm curious, why are you opposed to making JF ~100m along with this? It's a cost more fitting with the risk. It's not even like they have fittings.

It's not about JF. It's about cynos on stations in docking rings. JF pilots are trying to make this into a crusade against JF. You should be asking why JF skin is so thin compared all the other capital pilots. I think that is valid question at this point.

Take the number of JF complaints and contrast that to the number of other capital pilot complaints. Either there are 100 JF for every capital of another flavor in eve OR JF pilots are a wee bit whiney.

I never said I was opposed to making them 100 m. I am (because it's rediculous), but until just now I've never said that.

Why is there no end to the demands of JF pilots??

1. Jump Fatigue fairy grants major immunity
2. Have to be able to cyno with minimal risk
3. Can you make them cost 100m?

EVE 2019 headlines: Goods are moved from place to place by r-clicking destination and poof magic happens. The only pre-requisite is that 'hauler characters' must posess a CODE hauling permit costing 100m isk. JF pilots are in an uproar as no one uses their services anymore. Massive numbers of JF pilots are being kicked from major alliances for being useless. The JF pilots have formed a lobbying group and are being led by a JF pilot named Teckos. He's been wandering the corridors of Jita 4-4 brandishing a rainbow JF tattoo proclaiming current conditions aren't fair and then going into a longwinded analogy involving ants. Most citizens scurry away from him with confused looks on their faces.

THE EMPRESS NEEDS HER BOAT FINISHED TO DEFEAT THE DRIFTERS!

http://i.imgur.com/myo5mKg.jpg

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5748552#post5748552

Agreed.

I noted this days ago....but for some people no amount of empirical evidence is enough.

Okay, now expound on this dude. You know how to write something coherent and well thought out? Lets start with this paragraph:



This says, "I think we should reconsider logistics in New Eden." That is the take away from that paragraph. Okay, fine. What next?

You think you have an idea....well goddamn f***ing go with it you lazy bugger. I am not going to do YOUR for you.

And stop is with this magical nonsense. You come off sounding like an idiot. It isn't magic, well all know precisely how it happens. If we didn't then we could say "magic" but it isn't so its not.

Jesus F***ing Christ, I didn't think I'd have to be posting about how to write in this thread. Think of it this way, you are writing something serious, say an article in a newspaper or for a website that gets lots and lots of readers. Your job is to identify a specific problem, describe why the problem is bad and needs to be addressed now or soon, and what are some reasonable ways to address the problem. So far all we've gotten from you is a solution to....oh wait, no problem has been stated (no, having lots of stuff go from Jita to VFK or wherever is not a problem that is better described as a fact--yes lots of stuff leaves Jita and goes to NS....now why is that bad, or more accurately why is it bad if that movement of stuff quickly via JFs is bad). Then you can start talking about solutions.

Basically you've put the cart before the horse and done a lot of grrrr Goons in this thread. Which as I noted, makes you look foolish.