Ships & Modules

another thing is that you are comparing t3 cruisers with t1 hulls, if you want to compare t2 cruisers then compare them to t2 battleships. I am sure that a t1 cruiser will have fun vs any of the t1 battleships.

And in one of your posts you said that a fleet of t3s would lose to a fleet of battleships which really isn't the case. Battleships outdps any t3, if both fleets were to go long range, battleships have the edge, if they go for short range, again battleships have the edge, except well torpedoes cause well application. If anything battleships have more meat on them so that logi would catch a bs when a cruiser hull would go boom. And here drones come into effect as well since most of the t3's cant even fly a set of drones while most battleships can field medium and some even heavy drones. Just some random imagining of brawling fleet of t3's entering a group of vindicators.

The reason that battleships aren't used in mass in null is ok for maneuverability but stronger reason is they are quite vulnerable to bomber fleets, and I feel from reading what many null players said in the past that that is the one of the main reasons cruiser hulls are used more.

One constant batter from OP side is that the time it takes for you to be able to properly fly a battleship is bigger than that of a cruiser hull. Many people have already said this that support skills are the same, difference being in only the battleship and large t2 weapons.

Just one more thing to add before I leave this to other more experienced players to try and show others how you are wrong. If anything you just said was true then on alliance tournaments you wouldn't see a single battleship seeing as they cost so many points and yet you did and some of them were one of the main reasons they won. (hull tanked typhoon ftw!!!!)

as many said and will say, well worth it cause they outclass smaller hulls in most ways except in maneuverability and being more vulnerable to bombers.

What I said is true, what you said is not true and after reviewing the loss that caused this post I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference of what I said and what you said.

I have more knowledge about the subject and you don't want to do the research.You have nothing to contribute. I understand. You should look at that video I linked. You might learn something.

I am sorry sir but you have no clue on how stuff works. It wasn't a fleet of battleships, but a combined fleet of t3, bs and an archon as a logi. They got baited out and the cameraman's fleet numbered 3x more than the opposing fleet and brought in 3 capitals that can hit cruisers as well as battleships, you notice how they cyno-ed them bit further away. And another thing rewatch that video cause the 1st thing that is shown to die is a loki, not a battleship. You have ALOT to learn and I will not indulge into further discussions in this thread cause the only person saying anything remotely to what you suggest is well you and you have been proven and told by many other FAR FAR more experienced and knowledgeable people that you are wrong and need to reconsider your views and learn how to play the game in general.

Best regards and hope you see reason

Capt Sephiroth

Yes, when the BS pilot is dumb and doesn't fit for application/utility, and instead focuses on max gank and or tank. Then a t1 frigate can solo a BS. But, that t1 frigate pilot has to be smart enough to shoot the BS drones immediately, and the BS pilot needs to be dumb enough to not know how to cycle drones. The BS pilot also needs to be dumb enough to not fit a neut, web, Rigors/TP/TE/TC's etc to be held down by a t1 frig.

These scenario's are from unexperienced BS pilots who think they know everything, and just assume that BS should be the best. They think all that dps and tank means they can't die, but they forget that they are using LARGE weapons, and between tracking and sig radius, they don't track small targets well for that very reason. Having a BS beat everything below it, means people would just fly BS all the time, since they can engage any target. And they know in a BS, they can kill anything, and flying anything but BS is foolish since if you come across a BS, you'll die.

You want proof, look at the ishtar, it is so flexible at killing any target, thats why its the 3rd most used ship in the game right now. Behind the Svipul (which is new) as its still pretty powerful for a destroyer, and sabre, which is the most popular null bubbler.


You said dumb standard things, so you get the same standard replies when dumb things are spoken.


Great, so you know how to approach, warp, and lock a target. EVE has more levels than "Basic". If you knew more than the "basics" then you wouldn't be asking "what makes BS require more support skills than all the other ships".

Yes I lost a PVE fit battleship. It doesn't invalidate the OP. If this is all you have than you should go elsewhere before you violate the forum rules.

This thread makes me giggle....

OP just an FYI fleets are usually made up of more than one ship... you say battleships cant hit cruisers or frigs.... add in a couple of webbing loki's (prob what died in that vid), bubbles, TP's... then watch as they steam roll whatevers on grid.

What you dont seem to realise is that the meta in this game changes. Fleets change to counter whatever fleet was the counter before them. Ishtars were the flavor of the month down to broken'ness, before that there was alpha fleet, tengu's, drake fleet, zealots.... each the counter to something else or whatever was happening in game at the time. Some brightspark might find that cruise ravens is the next big thing... who knows... but just because battleships arent used right now doesnt mean theyre broken...

Your lack of understanding of game mechanics makes the proper replies required to be a small novel.

In short, Battleships are quite viable most well balanced fleets. If you don't think so, don't fly one.

All ships have their uses. Someone are just less useful than others.