EVE General Discussion

Technically he/she won't get a KM if they only jam logi and if no-one shoot them for being criminal, then concord will be the only entity on the KM so it might not be posted.

This is of course taking for granted they don't even whore on the target being potentially melted down by Sansha and somehow don't get rat aggro from e-war usage.

It kind of require every pieces to fall at the right places and people deliberately not whoring on the upcoming kill... I guess they could argue it takes a few seconds to spot which ship is getting shot to **** by deltoles, yulais and otunis...

HAHAHA. Excellent.

Yespls.

PLS

This thread should go to the Game Ideas Wasteland.

Note: Same type of junk call outs got Level 5 missions moved to Low Sec, which effectively just removed them from the game. Why not just pull any and all income activity from HS and let the game die a horrible death since you don't get your play style of PVP satisfied.

There is NOTHING you will be able to change in this game PERIOD that will get non-PVP players to PVP, it's just not going to happen in any meaningful numbers to be worth the change. They are completely different game styles.

I am surprised CCP hasn't learned by now that nerfing High Sec only means less things to do in game and less income for CCP.

Here's a thought.... Why not make more interesting things to do in game that costs a metric ton of ISK to do it - tihngs that don't involved nerfing someones play style, and add value to the game.

You know highsec isnt the only place in eve, lvl 5's dead? Dont think so they just added risk (fixed a bug) now the only people who do them are the people who want to take the risk to make the isk, as said why buff everything else when you can sort the root of the problem

In non a blinged out fleet I made a little less to far more per hour in WHs AND null with little risk. Although I guess I had to click dscan occasionally in the WH so you could call that extra effort.

It's amazing how much isk you can make in null as an individual when your alliance isn't renting out most of the good space.


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It's kind of sad how people are so obsessive over someone possibly making as much or more isk per hour with less effort or risk. Just enjoy the game you play and stop being so zealous over what someone may or may not be making.

If your obsession is too strong to ignore you can always take it on yourself to HTFU and make it harder for those that are the target of your jealously. Nah that would require effort in a sandbox game. I guess you can just continue whining on the forums in the hopes that you don't have to do anything in game.

If only that was true. Looking at your post history it's clear you haven't met a highsec nerf you didn't like.

People can clearly make good isk in null and only propagandists or clueless/fail players claim otherwise. Your own alliance has corps that have created recruitment pictures galore bragging about the good isk you can make in their space (null).

Regardless lets do a little theory crafting here and assume for a moment that your version of null actually exists. A null that pvp players can't make good isk and that the only place to make good isk is in highsec.

Your solution to this problem is to... *drumroll*.....nerf highsec. So how does decreasing income in only highsec increase the ticks in null when ratting or running sites?

Are you hoping that all the isk made in FW/low and WH somehow vanishes too?

Or are those your next line of targets?

Only at that point (after you've nerfed highsec low and WHs into the ground) would you see a relative increase in purchasing power from null PVE.

CCP has already shown that their data shows nullsec making a LOT of isk (hence the nerfs). So I doubt CCP would buff null income after having just tried to get the isk fountains out there somewhat under control.

The pilots are ONLY better off in highsec because of their corp and alliance or because they are ignoring positives that effectively increase their isk per hour. Choose a different corp or alliance is my suggestion. When I rented in null I made more then enough isk per hour to choose to live there instead of highsec. Of course renting out the system to me meant that the rank and file of the renter corp had one less system to make isk in. Repeat this by many times and you see why the corp/alliance doing the renting has completely screwed their rank and file..

Of course the isk being made by the renter corps goes into SRP and other fun things that the incursion runner in highsec doesn't have. So while you're in that corp in null your income might be reduced but you're also gaining benefits galore. Also something that needs to be mentioned about incursions is that despite having a 4.4b isk nightmare I spent over 95% of the time making about 100m an hour. The few fleets I was in where I made more then +110m an hour I had to wait for. Hell I had to wait for the 100m an hour fleets. Of course the fellow quoting 150m an hour doesn't include the hour or two spent on the waitlist earning nothing. God help you if you decide to make a little isk on the side while waiting thus being out of system when your name is called.

Comparing null income while part of a large alliance to that of a single player in an incursion fleet is apples to oranges. The incursion pilot might make a bit more isk per hour on paper (excluding wait times) but they have NOTHING resembling the benefits that the null pilot has (fleet and solo SRP, paid for activities like finding WHs, more opportunities for gameplay experience etc).


If Null is really so awful to live in then it shouldn't be difficult to convince people to go on strike and leave null en-mass. That would get CCPs attention.

The point of the thread isn't Null vs HS incursions, though I would find it hilarious to see you take a Jump Freighter from Jita to a Sov Capital of your choice without using cynos; it isn't really a choice.

The point of the thread is the payouts available by HS incursions are sufficiently high to push all other income generation options in other areas off the table of viability/desirability.

CCPs data shows more liqid isk is made in null due to the fact that all the reward for anoms come from bounties. That does not mean null has the best income, said anoms are on par with level 3 income in highsec. That propaganda about how great our great ratting income is in renter space is just that, propaganda. Shock horror, goons are scamming people into paying taxes for useless space. Do you honestly think we would not be using that space ourselves if it was any good?

What I want is a total revamp of income from PVE in all areas of space in the same way that mining, industry, exploration and PI now operate.

I think the fact that your alliance can throw hundreds of extremely well equiped supers and titans into a fight is more then enough evidence that nullsec makes plenty of isk. Remember how CCP swore that titans cost so much that only the biggest alliances would be able to field a few? I believe I remember similar statements about super carriers when they were introduced. Seems nullsec income far surpassed even CCP's expectations.


I was talking about recruitment banners/images not renter stuff.

I've done the renter thing and I've done the big alliance thing. I made more personal isk as a renter but the SRP, intel channels, and such from the big alliance thing certainly made up for the loss in income relative to renting.