Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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10% tax break to social corps. Latest change we are discussing regarding corp differences

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I have profound doubts that this would happen. It is already difficult to sell many things in Amarr, compared to Jita. Even more fragmentation would just lead to even less sales and ultimately and quickly back to concentration. So, if you wanted to try and set up a hub, you'd bind money there, lose money there to taxes/fees and ultimately have to ship to a big hub anyways and lose money on transportation and fees/taxes again.

Twas my attempt to re word it for you. The underlying issues are the imbalance of the risk/ reward system and lack of incentive to form and maintain a high sec corp. The op doest get updated till things are discussed and I've got something I feel is better then what was there. Now if I understand your position correctly it is you expect greater isk rewards for the same risk as people willing to brave wardecs and even engage in them in conquest of greener pastures? I'm sorry but lower risk should equal lower rewards.

My gut reaction is that it would screw over the merc corps as it would limit who they can take contracts on, but could be easily solveable by using the confederated type system.

How would the tier system above deal with Allies?

Where would they go if removed from NPC corp? Can't really do away with them as they need to go somewhere. I agree that NPC corps should not be the warm and cozy homes they are for so many.

Personally I'm more of the desire to see player corps being buffed to make them more attractive. Things like mining bonuses just for being in corp for x days / months , mission bonuses with a similar structure, maybe manufacturing speed increases, so sorts of things. Make being in a player corporation a competitive necessity (for those who need every penny to be optimized) and it should provide plenty of incentive to stay out of NPC corps for most players.

In my opinion people who would still refuse to leave their NPC corps at that point would be doomed to quit Eve eventually and won't be a problem forever.

as it was just a rough though, i Hadn't honestly put much thought into the allies. Let's see...perhaps allowing offensive allies as well. if you hire an ally, the offenders could as well - allies would be restricted to the war tier as well.

Example:

Tier 3 Corp Declares War on Tier 3 Corp
Defender Obtains Ally by a Tier 2 Corp
Offender may now Obtain their own ally of Tier 2 Level

Rule: You may only ally into a corp that is same or lesser tier then you - this would eliminate "Big Brother" defenses where one side could not possibly counter

- On another thought you could also make it modular

- 2 Tier 3 Corps could ally in to even the field from a Tier 4 ally.

again this is just a thought


Edit: Also on another note: it could also be adjusted (the main idea) to allow Aggressing Corps to declare war against larger tier opponents but not smaller

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. Noragen you have some good ideas here and all credit to you. The first thing is that we need to get away from slagging matches, you want good fights and I believe that some of the people you war dec do too, there are others that want none of it.

My attitude is not to go off and shoot anything that moves, I want a reason to shoot someone, so far I have not found anyone has got up my nose enough to warrant a personal crusade. I have an attitude to get in the way of the Goons screwing over hisec and am sorting out alts that will sit in NPC corps to do just that. I like many people have got to a cannot really be bothered mode, perhaps I am a bitter vet, but the thought of chasing off after people camping pipes in Cynabals interests me not at all and I am not having a dig when I say that, you are doing what is right for you and good luck to you.

I made a post on POH's C&P thread asking if they do any research on the people they dec, they are mainly US and we have no active US players, they are in NPC corps, POH have had two people on during the period I am active, my bemusement was more along the lines of what is the point? It seems just like a complete waste of 50m to me.

I talk about the I cannot be bothered bit because it is very important to what you want in the game, I don't see any fun in it for me, I have had my fill with what I call GTFO ships like the Cynabal's when I was in 0.0, I seriously cannot be bothered, when vimsey makes that point that you can set up to kill them well yes, except that I have no interest in doing it.

The new structures and some of the affects might change this in forcing a real fight I hope so, however not with hisec in its current form, lots of small corps and virtual corps, it is just not going to happen. I thought that I could start to develop an alliance that would grow in hisec, I soon realised that if you did that you would have no peace to develop to be able to fight and people have touched upon this here. I along with others tried to setup something in NPC 0.0 but before we could get it going we were carpet AFK cloaky camped by NCDOT. related people for 6 months which destroyed it and this is the issue with hisec. You do no have a chance to create something before you get jumped on and so people don't bother.

My disquiet is that I have nothing that makes me want to fight in this game, I also go out of my way not to do things that make me easy to get at, but I do feel I am missing out, but then I get to the point of looking at the costs the effort and how easy it is to tear down and I say, cannot be bothered.

I guess a lot of players have got to my point, having been in too many fail cascades and seeing people better equipped and in bigger numbers just able to stomp and not being able to do anything about it, so we just avoid and all your suggestions are more penal and are more likely to turn me off the game and not log in. And I do like to PvP, but I am not a great fan of going on roams to find something to kill, I can have fun doing it, but it gets stale very quickly.

What can we have in Eve that makes a player like me and many like me be bothered to jump into something and go for it, and it is certainly got to be more then make the attackers feel good about themselves.

So I thought I would give you it straight how I feel and many of the people I talk to feel, 15% increased yield, hell no, I use a Skiff with a DCU II and bulkheads and drone damage, do you think I could really be bothered to fight for something that gives me 15% more yield. And missions, increased LP, well possible, but again if I have to go up against people who are so much more numerous then me and have the same level of ships and stuff, I cannot win, so why bother. In terms of PvP I have gone for it against the odds when I had a chance for a kill, but I refuse to do it if there is no chance at all and why am I wrong to feel like that, the person who I amfacing has covered everything, better kit higher numbers etc., its like taking a fight and sitting there for the whole fight jammed, its about as fun as watching paint dry...

Its good that you are trying, but the people you want to push to fight are mainly jaded veterans who really don't care.

I gotta be honest guys you haven't thought out what the ramifications of 5 or even 10 offensive wars would have when coupled with these changes. Dravclad do you think you would warrant a random Dec with that cap? Yes you would need to build an actual corp to be competitive and hold your chosen area. With a reason to compete with your fellow highseccer (15% increase) your threat would come from a group like your own. However a hard cap on wars on its own would systematically destroy the largest groups a few at a time.

Also this is more a carrot then a stick method no?

The game has never been more restrictive of the "predator" style players, but that just isn't enough, huh?

The problem isn't that the "prey" (carebears) aren't being glutted enough. They've never had it better, and your claim is that they are leaving.

The game grew faster, and had more players, when it was more dangerous. Every safety buff in highsec has hurt that, until we have what we have now. CCP has been doing the same thing for a decade, and it doesn't work. Time to go the other way for once.

Now, if you want to ramble off topic about structures, that has it's own thread.

I got bored, had nothing better to shoot at. He was kind enough to come and help.

I would have been quite happy chasing missioners in ravens or miners in mackinaws instead, but none were available.

From the current sounds of the new structures, without active defenders they'll be helpless. I suspect this will not remain %100 true as I feel it's too powerful for the aggressor. It is clear though that CCP wants structures to be very difficult to keep if left undefended.

This is very different than the current POS model as a large POS adequately fit is a deterrent to all but the most dedicated and well equipped aggressors.

This change will itself encourage the formation of larger groups as the numbers will be necessary in order to properly defend the new structures. This will be good for the aggressors as larger groups means more people online to shoot at, and you won't need to blanket dec like you do now to have people to shoot at. That will also be good for the smaller corps as they will be less attractive as targets unless there is a reason to go after that particular group.

I'm content to see how the new structures change the landscape in HS, because they most likely will. Once the new structures are rolled out and we can see how they interact with the current war dec mechanics then we can re-evaluate the war situation.