Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You were watchlisted but never undocked/uncloaked.

If you want to drive something, figure out a way to drive these corps into lowsec.

Really? Your OP makes it sound like you're just kinda mad you can't dunk on casuals all day.

If you want to fight a corp without wardec mechanics getting in the way, then move that corp somewhere that wardec mechanics don't exist.

And if you got those people into lowsec, then Low would be a target rich environment.

And bonus! You'd actually be allowed to shoot all of those targets without having to pay for a single war.

Which is exactly why those targets are in highsec and not lowsec. You've done a good job of highlighting why pushing people to lowsec is never a good answer.

Work for me? Noragen's the one that wants to shoot all the people. I'm just pointing out that there's already a fertile field of shooting all the people available, and usually only a half dozen jumps away.

I am here to admit that Null and Low are very different when compared to high-sec.

1. People in high-sec care more about their ships
-many entities in low/null rely on corp/alliance subsidies(moons/renter taxes)

2. People in high-sec either have alts in low/null or are already alts.

3. High-sec is a lot more crowded than low/null
-every system has neutrals and one is more than likely an alt of your target

High-sec is a beast of it's own so a reason does not exist for high-sec entities to move to low/null-sec. Making such a move is corp/alliance suicide anyways because said group did not originally recruit for low/null.

Example: Being a null-sec citizen, why would I want my alt in high-sec to move to null-sec? That defeats the purpose of a high-sec alt.

Right - you're trying to pin the casual's feet to the floor so they're forced to take it on the chin.

Ideally, high sec space would be for newbros, casuals and Red Frog. I see no reason to help people punch puppies. So instead, I say figure out how to get these groups out of the training wheels area instead of trying to find a way to punish them for founding a tax-dodge corp.

Your problem with not being able to shoot people? Solved.
Your problem with people not HTFU and learning to defend themselves? Solved.
Your problem with neutrals? Solved.

What game are you playing?

Have you been apart of an incursion community in highsec before?
Have you been apart of a mercenary entity in highsec before?
Have you been apart of a 1,000 man industrial conglomerate in highsec before?

Vice versa,

Have you been apart of a major null-sec entity before?
Have you been apart of a major low-sec entity before?

If we are to combine all of this together, the casuals here are the low/null sec entities. The only people in low/null that don't deserve the "casual" award is the capital/super/titan builders and the JF bro's.

Everything I listed above I have done with the top 1% in Eve in their respective area.

Realistically the Eve you are trying to picture is not possible. There are far too many PVE man hours put into high-sec for anyone there to be considered a casual. Considering null is becoming more and more a barren waste land we can hardly EXPECT people in high-sec to randomly Drive content there.

Lets face it, there are very few things in null-sec that are better at making money than High-sec. However the things that are more profitable are so far off the beaten path that logistically its a nightmare. Yeah I could make 40 billion isk building a titan but how would I move it? Why? Yeah I could rat in perfect harmony in goon space but why? I could just run high-sec incursions.

Changing these isk gardens would shift the very foundation of Eve as we know it.

Please understand that High-sec is very unique and nothing like low-sec or null-sec. In my opinion high-sec shouldnt suffer because low/null entities are too far spread out.

BTW: I respect lowsec entities but you cannot compare them to the bigger null-sec blocs. When a null-sec entity fails they move to low-sec. One can hardly call that as BETTER.

Concord protection.

To be honest, the groups I've run with stay in high for a number of reasons that if addressed would break lowsec.

Open incursion groups rely on unfamiliar faces, a method that doesn't work well without some form of mechanical restrictions or consequences. Similarly, the force of deterrence that is concord, when pitted against the willingness to suffer an assured loss of a capable fleet comp means strong, organized and well equipped interference is unlikely. No such restrictions exist outside of highsec.

Operating in lowsec on the other hand means having a closed, trusted group that needs to be fast enough to get a high profit before drawing unwanted attention, cheap enough to have those profits mitigate any potential losses (which being in a constellation marked for everyone to see would be pretty well assured if running in low became very common), and is willing to commit enough members to actually doing it at any point in time as you can't really rotate randoms in without risking the entire fleet.