Ships & Modules

Don't bring that rhetorical crap in here! Your argument is a battleship is good for boring structure wars. Anything else they do worse than smaller ships. Hell you could use a logi role cruiser and heavy guns BC to structure bash.

You didn't answer my question, but I may have found the answer.


You refuse to listen, judging by your fits you have no idea how to actually fit for PVP. I'm sure some poor sob once tried to teach you and you only listened to parts you wanted to hear. I true travesty for the person who tried to show you. To have effort wasted like that.

I know guy like that. He had a Charon and he needed to pick up Ore in a highsec island. No matter how many times I told him that bringing a freighter into lowsec was asking for trouble he ignored me. His name was Bobo. And Bobo lost a Charon that day. All because he was so focused on his idea, that when someone told he was being stupid he got defensive and would no longer listen. The next day, he was bringing a second charon to that same island. He got lucky that time, and made it through. He then gloated on how he was right. How he could take a charon through lowsec and not die.

You see where I'm going with this?

Your a Bobo.

Players like you. Who only want people to agree with what they say. So much to the point that logic doesn't matter just as long as they feel that they are right. That somehow they aren't the ones who are stupid. It's the GAMES fault. It's the ships fault. Well guess what? It's not. Everytime you switch the blame to something you brush off, your not going to learn. You're not going to get better.

I tried to show you that your idea of battleships being **** isn't completely right. Battleships need tweaks, but they are not useless. But you're so intent on being "right" that you ignore relevant information, that a the majority of players on this thread have told you.

I don't mean to take stabs at your pride, I honestly don't. If your pride wasn't so fragile maybe it wouldn't be a problem. Maybe you wouldn't need to be so defensive when you do something wrong. You do know it's okay to make a mistake right? That dying isn't the problem. It's when you refuse to find a solution to you dying and blame it on something else, "Lag", "A ****** ship" or "Mechanics" is what your biggest problem is.

If you don't change that kind of attitude, It's only going to make you quit faster or make you rage harder.

Look. I am not saying CCP needs to change anything. I am recommending to players, hopefully newer ones, instead of taking the mission ship route, take the lesser traveled T2/T3 route. They will get the superior ship faster and be able to do more fun EVE stuff than if they scaled to battleship. It is not about my ship loss rate or proper fittings. It is about being able to do more with our time as players and enjoying all of EVE.

yeah, but you get to fly T2 on the way, and you can do more.

to the lesser traveled question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHqFgn4SOw

signed!

When a person (especially a noob) claims something can't be done (and even goes so far as to tell other people to not do something), they are really just trying to protect their egoes against the sting of failure. THEY can't do it so they think no one else can either.


Of course we all know that this is not true. Yes Battleships take more (player) skill, game knowledge and preparation/support to use in pvp than some other ships. But in the right hands they are unmatchable by ANYTHING else.

Rapid heavies and a neut would have dropped that Svipul you died to so fast, he would have wondered what hit him.

Most people are undocking in battleships when having less that 1/2 of my current skillpoints.

What, my opinion doesn't matter because I only have X number of skillpoints. The truth is I put in so many hours of gameplay that I had enough experience to make an informed decision to not to train battleships and instead focus my skill training on cruisers. (1137 kills on main toon, 286 on second). After playing 3-4 hours a day for 9 months I see what works and what doesn't work that well.

I agree that the support skills are extremely important, and are generally neglected by many.

I've flown plenty of BS. The less desirable matar ones too, and i don't understand what you mean. "inaccurate", yep. But you can work around that with a proper fit, and actually putting thought into your fit instead of dumping random modules into it. Good piloting skills help too.



This made me chuckle. My solo BS kills frigs/t3d/cruisers/bc's pretty easily. I've used RHML t1 phoon, cruise missile phoon, tempest FI. My T1 phoon gets around 100k EHP and does 800-1100dps. Hell, i've even frigate hunted in a tornado (still uses large guns), and could brawl them down at 2-5km. Just need to understand game mechanics, and know how to bait fights and work them to your advantage. Sorry you can't just click approach and pwn, you need to have some skill, and knowledge in setting up the fight.

With proper fitting, you can escape from smaller ships fairly easily. Most smaller ships are kiting at point range. CCP made this nice little module called a micro jump drive. Long pointed and can't catch them? MJD away to freedom.



The truth? Says who? Speak for yourself, but ANY smaller combat ship cannot kill a BS when properly fit. All or nothing statements like that make you look ignorant. Maybe a ship like yours could be killed by a smaller ship, but my fits revolve around application for this reason. They do not have this issue. Learn to fit/fly.

I have minny BS/BC to 5, and i have more fun in these ships than when i was roaming in frigs. I get plenty of fights, and get lots of kills. Because people like you underestimate them, and think "oh he can't hit me hurr hurr".... "wait why did i die in 4 shots".

Don't discourage people to fly a ship class just because you're bad at it.

Disclaimer: BS are not where they should be by any stretch, but they are not useless, and i still find uses for them in a solo role.