EVE General Discussion

Oh the irony.

It has been covered already....seems you got lost in thread somewhere.

A)Ganking freighters on gates or stationary miners in belts, both of which are not behind a gate, is much much easier than having get around the gate; something about the optimal range of catalysts/talos/etc being very short.

B)Sansha rats actively attack newcomers on grid. Gank ships would not really do well under fire from both the runners and the rats. There's a reason you tell the fleet if you are arriving on grid.

C)There's a lot of players and entities who are full time gankers and have significant financial and human resources. You would think if it were practical or viable under the rules we have, that they would be very interested in the killmails they could generate there, and act accordingly. I mean occasionally someone goes AFK on a gate to a site or to autopilots through Uedama in an incursion boat, but other than that, the sheer scarcity of this happening should speak volumes on the practicality of it.

D)How many ganking fleets have you FC'ed? Produce some convincing lossmails of incursion runners in sites and I would be rather impressed.

you cant suicide gank actual BS fleets with logi support

you get to the stage where you are just repeating the same info to new people who dont care to look through all the previous pages

You can but at too high a cost. You won't cover your cost unless you really get lucky but there is nothing preventing you from parking tornadoes on the gate to a TCRC and just shooting whoever is the first poor chap to land after completing the previous site.

Exactly. The constant talk about ganking is simply a diversion awayu from admitting that the problem exists.

Right now I'm living proof of the imbalance. Up until recently I lived in Delve. Me and my buddy 'lived' off of bllod raider anomalies. We both have done incursions and other pve before, but anoms are liquid isk and it's less boring doing pve with a friend. We pitched in together and bought a Vargur for the 10/10 esclations, but for ratting we used out machs.

And I would dual box an Ishtar on an alt semi-afking forsaken hubs while he and I did havens in machs.

Even with all that, even with escalations (that have RNG style rewards, sometimes we got nothing but the OPE box), it was hard to maintain the 'lifestyle'. Because of plex prices i went form plexing 4 accounts to plexxing 3 and paying the sub in cash with the 4th account (even though I'm capable of doing lvl 5 bltizing and have a FW alt, I can't be arsed to log in those characters sometimes, those activities just aren't fun). Roaming ceptors and cloaky campers were a constant concern, nothing we didn't handle though.

Then the recent upheaval in Delve happened, and We've had to leave. We both decided to take our alts to high sec to run incursions. I had recently trained what was a hauling alt to fly my incursion mach (so I could use my other mach capable pilots like jenn to do other things) and my buddy's alt could fly a raven so he simply trained over into a Nightmare. We run incursions with TVP and WTM.

After a week of incursion running I bought a Golem for Jenn and while I am incursion running I simply stick Jenn into a mission like Gone Berserk, Smash the Supplier, Buzz kill or some other mission with lots of npcs in one place, bastion up and start shooting FoF missiles. The Golem has a cap stable tank and tech1 light drones so i don't have to pay ANY attention to it except to restart the FoF missiles every 4-5 minutes.

The "semi-afk Golem" doesn't make as much isk as the afk Ishtar did, but since incursion running with the mach pays TWICE what using that same mach in null sec did, I come away way better off. I'm back to plexxing all 4 accounts without strain (playing fewer hours per day in fact), with way more left over to do other stuff with., all from he safety and convenience of high sec..

99% of the people claiming the above described situation isn't broken have 0% of the experience people like me have with playing the game in mutiple areas.

Disagree. What is missing is the ability to say
"I stand corrected"
or
"Hey I learned something, thanks".

Stalemate is
"we agree to disagree"

A forum is not always a competition, unless you make it one. And even then you "gf" when you lose a fight

btw, insulting or attacking your opponent directly is a "loss" in any proper debate. Always attack the argument ftw.
I can agree with a sound argument regardless of who is posting it.

end incursions?

dont be stoopid, asking mummy and daddy to step in because you think its risk free isk does not make it true, its a sand box not a theme park. you dont like something do as we do. Fix it yourself.

i was born from the desire to stop arseholes killing the mom too early, our fleet of pilots never show up on killmails, we fly in and jam the logi pilots and let the sansha do the killing,

ending incursions would end the point of my existence and all the other pilots in band of blackbirds.

you think its risk free isk, i am here to tell you i know its not risk free.

The payments of isk and lp are not too large if anything i would say buff the payments. your going to need the isk.

Stupid name.
Hiding behind an npc alt.
Can't spell properly.

Yeah, totally worth taking seriously and absolutely honest.

That sound you are hearing coming from your speakers or headphones right now are Terran Insects called "crickets". That are particularly active when they detect that you are waiting for another poster to confirm something we already know is bullshit.