EVE General Discussion

I'm serious when I say that it's funny as hell to see these people grasping for so many straws that they end up confirming the problem they are trying to deny. The poster you replied to is the prime example, because he claimed that "only a few hundred people do incursions anyway" then went on to link a graph showing incursion rewards are the third largest isk faucet in the game (meaning that if it's only a few hundred people, something is WAY wrong with the activity they are doing because it takes 10s of thousands of players to generate the isk the constitutes the largest isk faucet that's barely 3 times the size of the incursion runners contribution lol).

So now the goal post is moved to "man hours"... when the man hours needed to set up PVE outside of high sec incursions is WAY higher than what incursion communities have to do (hell, I have yet to do an incursion more than 12 jumps from a Trade hub), further demonstrating the imbalance.

I hope I never come across something I need to defend so much that it makes me as irrational as some of these deniers.

This still going?

It is not about high, low or null.
It is all about lack of risk.

Just add risk. Some drifters, Momma with a Lux, or allow other ppl to do it.
Some random (or targetted) 'splosions.

Keep the community.
Hell, keep the riches.

Just blow some **** up already.

It is actually quite amusing to see the heat that this topic is creating.

Unfortunately it appears that neither side will budge & this topic will devolve into an endless rant of arguments & counter-arguments which actually solves zip.

Time for me to do something productive.

The LP is then converted into a commodity that has said LP value build into them, the ISK is then traded from players looking to purchase this commodity.

LP store is actually an ISK sink, as some items require you to pay an unrecoverable sum to an NPC Corporation to obtain them, and none items to my knowledge pay you.

In short, Loyalty Points is a resource - just like mining, or salvaging is, though with an added healthy benefit of taking the ISK out of the system and keeping inflation in check.

Here is the graph again - http://i.imgur.com/wybDyAB.png

I was in FW at it's inception in 2008, and it wasn't like that, in fact no one did FW missions then. CCP WAY over-buffed the FW rewards, in part because many of us short sightedly (myself included) complained that there were no rewards for being in FW. The problem isn't the farming community, it's that CCP stuffed rewards into something that was supposed to mainly be about pvp.

Now there are lots of people who don't give a damn about FW in FW farming, and that's a shame. FW was glorious in the beginning, all we were really asking for was a way to sustain ourselves while being in FW and CCP responded with an unbalanced gold mine that screws everything up.

The bomber has nothing to do with needing to avoid people (tho it helps) and more to do with the BS size weapons on a frig size hull that can sig tank a entire room of a LVL 4 mission while blitzing it. And the fact that you can do this with several missions in a single run in a decent amount of time for a large pay out. At least on the minmitar side, the caldari and galente FW have some problems with this because of the EWAR they go against, and the last time I looked at FW the amarr pay outs weren't worth the effort tho that could have changed.

Not really since you have to go 15+jumps to get to the area to do the missions, they are all in LS FW space that is normally controlled by the opposing faction. The up side is that you can go to as many of the LVL4 mission givers for your faction as you feel like before going out to run the missions, combine that with the fact that for many of the missions you only have to destroy a handful of BS or industrial ships it makes the Stealth Bomber the most efficient way to do it.

I wouldn't call it risk honestly. Bombers are best but you can do the missions in any number of ships, including Caracals. All you have to do is buy a stack of caracals and enough fittings to fit them out and just spend them like candy. hell, when I jump into an Amarr militia gate camp I don't even try to make it back to the gate, I just let them kill the ship, Pod me back to Hek (I chuckle when i think "these guys are sending me to HEK lol) and simply attack my travel route backwards.

It's insane, we should not be able to make 100-250ish mil per hour with a Caracal or Stealth bomber we don't give 2 filps about if it dies. In defense of incursions , at least you need a BS for that unbalanced monstrosity, but FW missions are the number 1 messed up PVE thing in EVE. CCP could fix FW missions by making them at least not be blitzable (if you have to clear the field of NPCs instead of killing a couple BSs or haulers or a structure, the massive amount of LP rewarded would make more sense).

I'ma keep farming till CCP does something, but it's really dumb how they have it now. There are WHOLE ALLIANCES in FW that play both sides of a conflict and actively manipulate which side is allowed to "win" for isk farming purposes, it's a perversion.

High-sec incursions should be moved exclusively to high-sec islands.

It introduces all kinds of risk to the overall process to offset the rewards, while still maintaining the integral separation of risk DURING the PvE activity, which is what the average high-sec player actually cares about.

There aren't that many high-sec highland IIRC so people could potentially leave a boat in most possible places.