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EVE-O preview - multi-client preview / switcher - v1.18.3

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2015-04-13 01:49:35 UTC
OK So here's the deal. EVE O Preview does NOT send any commends of any kind to the EVE client. It only uses Windows commands to make the EVE window the active window. It can resize the client window and re-position it which CCP said was perfectly fine.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#142 - 2015-04-13 14:07:48 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2015-04-13 15:42:32 UTC
Alrighty, I've gotten back to troubleshooting some of the reported bugs. I've yet to pin them down, but I will keep looking.

I don't think I"ll be implementing the "new" save system as it's causing some headaches but I definitely want to get "Minimize to system tray" as well as the "hotkey switching" done soonTM.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#144 - 2015-04-13 22:38:47 UTC
Makari Aeron wrote:
Alrighty, I've gotten back to troubleshooting some of the reported bugs. I've yet to pin them down, but I will keep looking.

I don't think I"ll be implementing the "new" save system as it's causing some headaches but I definitely want to get "Minimize to system tray" as well as the "hotkey switching" done soonTM.



Hey men i dont know how to say but thanks for this app.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

White Maul
Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2015-05-01 18:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lee Sin Priest
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state.


Assuming one were to use ISBoxer to do the exact same features EVE-O uses and no other features, would you still get banned for using ISBoxer in that fashion?

E: Also very cool to have a legal windows management tool i can use without having to worry, much thanks

E2: Used it a little, enjoying it so far, give me hotkeys to swap clients and I'd be ready to drop my pants.
Yet to find any real issues, however for different setups ive resorted to having multiple folders of the program
Brockren
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
#146 - 2015-05-02 17:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Brockren
Source http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/keyboard-shortcuts#keyboard-shortcuts=windows-7

Here are a couple easy to use keyboard shortcuts I use for switching between clients.


Windows logo key +T - Cycle through programs on the taskbar + enter or spacebar to select. (Not my ideal way)


Alt+Esc - Cycle through items in the order in which they were opened ( I use this when eve clients are the only windows I have open means I can cycle through the clients quickly)


Windows logo key + number key - Start the program pinned to the taskbar in the position indicated by the number. If the program is already running, switch to that program. ( window key+1 opens/switches to first pinned icon on my taskbar. if you pin your eve clients to the taskbar in specific # positions they will always be same numbers. I use when I have multiple windows open besides eve or I need to switch immediately to a specific client without cycling through windows)


oh, if your annoyed with how Windows 7 groups programs of the same exe together and can't re arrange them look at.

http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker
Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2015-05-02 19:05:17 UTC
I like the taskbar tweaker

Just got a response from a ticket saying 3rd party programs are a no no, is this program still legal?
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#148 - 2015-05-02 19:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Lee Sin Priest wrote:
I like the taskbar tweaker

Just got a response from a ticket saying 3rd party programs are a no no, is this program still legal?


Client modifications and automations are a no no. This doesn't modify the client, there is no automation, replication, keystroke tracking etc etc. Reread the entire forum post if your concerned and it should clarify it. Ccp chimed in on it.

Yaay!!!!
Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2015-05-02 23:24:23 UTC
No i understand the rules and have read the thread, including CCP foxfours statements, however the ticket response made it sound like everything was illegal

That being said, it was a copy paste response i have seen before regarding any question to do with multiboxing so...we'll have to see
Bluntmasta
Humankind Empire of Abh
Fraternity.
#150 - 2015-05-04 07:38:13 UTC
Lee Sin Priest wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state.


Assuming one were to use ISBoxer to do the exact same features EVE-O uses and no other features, would you still get banned for using ISBoxer in that fashion?

E: Also very cool to have a legal windows management tool i can use without having to worry, much thanks

E2: Used it a little, enjoying it so far, give me hotkeys to swap clients and I'd be ready to drop my pants.
Yet to find any real issues, however for different setups ive resorted to having multiple folders of the program



This is honestly getting ridiculous. If you use isboxer to do the same things as this program, you are all good. If you use isboxer to click a button and activate modules on multiple clients, you are banned. It is very, very, very simple. In fact there is a sticky in general discussion that CLEARLY states what is ok, and what is not. The fact that people are still "confused" by this is mind boggling.

READ THE STICKY!!!

CCP Falcon wrote:

Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters

[/i]



TLDR: This program is 100% LEGAL. Period. End of discussion.
ISBOXER is LEGAL if you do not use Input broadcasting/multiplexing. (i.e. no 1 click or button to affect more than 1 client at the same time)
Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2015-05-04 10:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lee Sin Priest
put in a ticket asking whether Eve-0 is legal and you'll get a confusing answer that says nothing is legal

I read the sticky post, and i understand it, it however does not state that the spirit of the law was to remove certain play, which included a bunch of features not showing up on the list you mentioned

And the reason this keeps getting asked, even though it is "clear" to any sane person reading it, is because CCP has to cover their ass when it comes to legal matters such as the EULA, probably why they're still handing out copy paste tickets so we'll see

E: also there is a margin of error when it comes to bans
People are scared of running Eve with ISBoxer because if people mass petition them they're worried they will get banned
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#152 - 2015-05-05 07:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
From what I can tell from what's officially being said, FoxFour was out of line when he stated that this software was legal to use (as they have stated that the never sanction the use of software). I'm still trying to get clarification, but I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer. Even though this software has a dev on it's credits and a clear statement claiming it's legal to use, they'll still probably slap a ban on you if you are deemed "too efficient" whatever that is.

The impression I've got from what I've seen so far is that they don't sanction software as per their EULA (so I wouldn't take FoxFour's post as an endorsement for the software itself), but if the software is not being used to run macros or do any other form of automation (which Eve-o preview is not capable of) then it *should* be fine. ISBoxer I imagine would be the same if only used for the same features as EVE-O preview offers. I'll reiterate though that this is just my opinion given all of the information I have seen on the matter so far.

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2015-05-05 11:23:30 UTC
I am working on getting the hotkeys into the program as well as the bug fixes. Life has thrown me shoulder surgery so it's been a bit hectic (and expensive). No promises on the ETA.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#154 - 2015-05-07 04:05:29 UTC
Well this app the only thing it do is an kind of Multiboxing nothing else nothing more. The rest have to be done by the user by clicking no automation no Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing which is band.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

White Maul
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#155 - 2015-05-07 12:58:26 UTC
Makari Aeron wrote:
I am working on getting the hotkeys into the program as well as the bug fixes. Life has thrown me shoulder surgery so it's been a bit hectic (and expensive). No promises on the ETA.


Thank you for your continued effort :)

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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#156 - 2015-05-09 00:02:19 UTC
Makari Aeron wrote:
I am working on getting the hotkeys into the program as well as the bug fixes. Life has thrown me shoulder surgery so it's been a bit hectic (and expensive). No promises on the ETA.


Having gone through a similar shoulder related thingymabob last year, i can only wish you the best of best wishes and I hope you will heal soon from the surgery.

Thanks for devoting as much time to this as you have.

o7
Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2015-05-10 13:20:07 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Makari Aeron wrote:
I am working on getting the hotkeys into the program as well as the bug fixes. Life has thrown me shoulder surgery so it's been a bit hectic (and expensive). No promises on the ETA.


Thank you for your continued effort :)


If hotkeys are added will the program still be usable according to the EULA?
Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2015-05-11 13:57:59 UTC
Lee Sin Priest wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Makari Aeron wrote:
I am working on getting the hotkeys into the program as well as the bug fixes. Life has thrown me shoulder surgery so it's been a bit hectic (and expensive). No promises on the ETA.


Thank you for your continued effort :)


If hotkeys are added will the program still be usable according to the EULA?


I don't see why not. The hotkeys would be talking to the EVE-O Preview program and not EVE itself.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2015-05-12 01:57:17 UTC
Figured itd be worth to check, assumption has lead to bans before
Satina Valor
House of Valor Distributions
#160 - 2015-05-19 13:27:03 UTC
Sir Crom wrote:
I just stumbled onto this program looking for anything I haven't tried to help multiboxing. This program is very nice for handling multiple accounts.

I do ask, if not too much of a problem, to add the capability of adding not just EVE clients to the window list but Browsers, EFT, EVEMon among others.

And the previous request for hotkey assignment to the windows would be very nice, I second the motion....

You all keep up the great work. It is appreciated very much.


Hi,

this is a great tool and i would also like to know if adding the ability to choose other running applications is a possible future feature?
I know this is a little bit out of scope but could help a lot managing many windows with videos, chat and other changing content, while using only 1 or 2 monitors. This could especially benefit streamers...just saying Cool