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EVE-O preview - multi-client preview / switcher - v1.18.3

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Humang
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#181 - 2015-08-31 12:18:15 UTC
If I have a client stretched across 2 screens, is it possible to have the preview to only show part of the client?
(ie. only one screen?)

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Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions
#182 - 2015-08-31 19:00:20 UTC
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Laenatus
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#183 - 2015-09-05 15:57:52 UTC
Humang wrote:
If I have a client stretched across 2 screens, is it possible to have the preview to only show part of the client?
(ie. only one screen?)



I'd also like to see this...some how. I was thinking having something like ISBOXER where you can select an area and have it blown up or whatever. The utility i'd get out of this would be selecting a side of my screen that has my overview, scanner and HUD on it so i can keep an eye on my alt running FW missions without having to look at their entire screen stuffed into a small box.

I play one full wide screen with a part dragged over into my 2ndary square screen, wide enough for 2 tall chatboxes stacked together. the extra wideness of it messes up the aspect ratio of the viewer windows.

Still should be useful enough for what im planning on doing, however. Thanks for keeping this awesome tool alive!
Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#184 - 2015-09-10 14:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
The blown up partial window could be something I work into the program. Though note that I will not add the ability to pass commands to the client other than making the window your active window. The whole passing commands to EVE in the miniature box just gets too close to the gray area of the TOS/EULA for my liking. At the moment I'm rewriting it from the ground up. The current version (1.18.3) has some finicky things with the base code, mainly how it creates and destroys the previews constantly. This causes the problem where you click where the preview is and instead nothing happens as you clicked your desktop instead as your click command was "missed" by the preview window as it refreshed.

It's going to be a while, I'm refactoring how saving and loading works along with better settings options. For example, I plan to have "accounts" where you can assign clients (characters, really) to have the same settings as another for location. Thus if you have 2 characters on the same account, you can always have them mimic each other. In addition, I plan to add it where the clients can mimic the "default" settings you created for everything but location. It's going to be a loooong process, but I believe it will be worth it in the end.

EDIT: if you're interested in seeing my current progress, you can look under the "codeword_dirtbag" (because I can) branch on the bitbucket page. My progress isn't too much, I'm in the midst of parsing the settings. Then I have to write the "Save Settings" portion. Then I have to write the preview window (separate exe this time) and then I have to write a send/recieve message portion for the two EXEs to pass messages back and forth, and finally I have to write timers to check for new EVE clients and have them propagate the settings file and windows.

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Leonis Perthshire
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#185 - 2015-09-14 03:44:35 UTC
I don't know if they ask already but like a way so that where you set the preview any other preview appear in line vertical or horizontal. How it works right know is that i have to set it exactly where i want and when i change of users i have to also set them the same.

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Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2015-09-14 16:37:29 UTC
Hey makari. Just wanted to say thanks for the work on this. Made playing multi accounts on a single screen enjoyable again.

Yaay!!!!

Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#187 - 2015-09-15 11:41:56 UTC
Leonis Perthshire wrote:
I don't know if they ask already but like a way so that where you set the preview any other preview appear in line vertical or horizontal. How it works right know is that i have to set it exactly where i want and when i change of users i have to also set them the same.


That is "intentional" because each character has a different window title. However, I am in the works of adding in something to the rewrite called the "Account System" which lets you mimic the same settings as another preview. I still need to work in location and size mirroring for both client and preview. Granted, I'm still just working on the settings and I haven't even touched rewriting the preview functions.

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Epikurus
TheBlacklist
#188 - 2015-09-16 11:02:42 UTC
Is the preview window supposed to show that client in real time or is there known lag? I just set this up and was keeping an eye on the preview for one character. Nothing was happening but I clicked on him anyway to change something and found him in the process of being podded having lost his ship.
Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#189 - 2015-09-16 11:38:55 UTC
It's real time. I haven't had it lag on me before. Was your 2nd client minimized? Were you in windowed mode?

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Aiyshimin
Descendant Command
#190 - 2015-09-18 09:02:41 UTC
Thank you and the original guy for this, very helpful little app. I'm currently playing with my left hand only due to a RL injury, being able to click other client preview windows is far superior to leaving the mouse to alt-tab.
Karti Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2015-10-06 19:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Karti Aivo
Not sure if this was asked already, but any option to toggle off the window borders :x ?
or am i just terrible and cant find the option?
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#192 - 2015-10-07 10:22:43 UTC
Karti Aivo wrote:
Not sure if this was asked already, but any option to toggle off the window borders :x ?
or am i just terrible and cant find the option?


"Show preview frames" is the name of the option if I remember correctly. On my phone right now so don't have it open to check.

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Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#193 - 2015-10-07 12:23:19 UTC
Correct, FoxFour. You can toggle on/off the window border by checking/unchecking the "show preview frames". I would suggest enabling "Show overlay" if you toggle the window borders off.

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Karti Aivo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#194 - 2015-10-07 15:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Karti Aivo
thank you this was correct - seems i was just confused by the naming "preview frames".

together with the new launcher this tool is really awesome ! :)

Here some general feedback i posted to reddit on a recent ixboxer / new launcher discussion:
"yeah im happy that eve-o preview is always improving, and in fact the first thing i did was testing it with the new launcher and see the current state.

that said, isboxer still is more "premium" in its window management features, as in you can quite easy say "okay split all inactive clients evenly onto my 2nd screen" without having to fiddle with manual resizing, and that you can on top of that display parts of that client (like a big watchlist / cap / modules) next to them, but im confident that eve-o preview will get there sooner or later too.

what im unsure about is that ressource management on top of that, since basicly isboxer builds "vms" for each client and allocates dedicated ressources to them, what is quite neat if you either have a not so great computer, or multibox a lot of clients - since without this one or two eve-clients got the habit to just "ninja" a lot of RAM while others are left with nothing which can lead to socket closes or huge lag spikes(freezes) in worst case. So it would be neat if the new launcher somehow would allow to limit the ressource allocation to each client :)"
Leonis Perthshire
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#195 - 2015-10-08 03:15:13 UTC
Karti Aivo wrote:
thank you this was correct - seems i was just confused by the naming "preview frames".

together with the new launcher this tool is really awesome ! :)

Here some general feedback i posted to reddit on a recent ixboxer / new launcher discussion:
"yeah im happy that eve-o preview is always improving, and in fact the first thing i did was testing it with the new launcher and see the current state.

that said, isboxer still is more "premium" in its window management features, as in you can quite easy say "okay split all inactive clients evenly onto my 2nd screen" without having to fiddle with manual resizing, and that you can on top of that display parts of that client (like a big watchlist / cap / modules) next to them, but im confident that eve-o preview will get there sooner or later too.

what im unsure about is that ressource management on top of that, since basicly isboxer builds "vms" for each client and allocates dedicated ressources to them, what is quite neat if you either have a not so great computer, or multibox a lot of clients - since without this one or two eve-clients got the habit to just "ninja" a lot of RAM while others are left with nothing which can lead to socket closes or huge lag spikes(freezes) in worst case. So it would be neat if the new launcher somehow would allow to limit the ressource allocation to each client :)"



You bring up good points. In your case ISB is better for you. Am fine whit this run 3 clientes at the same timeand am fine.

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Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#196 - 2015-10-08 11:25:32 UTC
Thanks for your feedback. Yeah, ISBoxer is definitely easier in that respect but it does cost money. I am actively trying to update EVE-O Preview in my spare time, but I normally only have time when work is slow, unfortunately the last couple weeks have not been.

I was actually wondering if the new launcher would make EVE-O preview obsolete. So far the "remember client location" of the launcher means I could strip away the location tracking. But I wouldn't consider doing that until the new launcher is out of beta and everything for location and size is working as intended. Even then I may not since the launcher can only set settings at launch.

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Jaantrag
#197 - 2015-10-10 14:59:44 UTC
after a long long while started using it again .. 4 clients on one screen piled on top of eachother and the eve-o thumbnails on the right edge of that screen for fast switching between the clients ..

had some wierd thing when some thumbnails were little "zoomed" didint show the hole client in there ticked and unticked the track client couple times minimized the clients and the thumbnails showed up as they should .. then i click on one and client shows up BUT the thumbnail itself turns mostly white and showing the client in the top left corner about 10% of the hole thumbnail size .. any advice ? .. w10 fault problems ? ... nohting like this happend when i was using w7 while back ..


as of the new launcher .. perhaps eve-o can drop some settings once the launcher is baked out of beta, but i dont see it replacing eve-o .. launcher as the name says is a launcher to open the clients and settings for em .. still would need a client switcher to toggle between the clients .. but time will tell what they come up with for the launcher ..

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#198 - 2015-10-10 21:50:36 UTC
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Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#199 - 2015-10-13 11:51:15 UTC
Jaantrag wrote:
after a long long while started using it again .. 4 clients on one screen piled on top of eachother and the eve-o thumbnails on the right edge of that screen for fast switching between the clients ..

had some wierd thing when some thumbnails were little "zoomed" didint show the hole client in there ticked and unticked the track client couple times minimized the clients and the thumbnails showed up as they should .. then i click on one and client shows up BUT the thumbnail itself turns mostly white and showing the client in the top left corner about 10% of the hole thumbnail size .. any advice ? .. w10 fault problems ? ... nohting like this happend when i was using w7 while back ..


as of the new launcher .. perhaps eve-o can drop some settings once the launcher is baked out of beta, but i dont see it replacing eve-o .. launcher as the name says is a launcher to open the clients and settings for em .. still would need a client switcher to toggle between the clients .. but time will tell what they come up with for the launcher ..


I have never seen such a bug. It may be a win10 thing, I use WIn8.1. I am planning on getting a new PC soon, my current computer is dying fast and I can hardly play EVE with multiple clients without a BSOD. At that point I can see if I can find easy fixes for the bugs such as that. But again, I am in the process of doing a lengthy rewrite.

Precisely. I don't know what CCP is going to include on their launcher nor do I know how compact it will be. I am planning to continue writing the rewrite when I have spare time. For the most part, it's going to be the same as the old one but it will have easier to use settings and the ability to "clone" the settings of another client. Also, I've rewritten the save/load settings to scrap XML all together. I personally hate saving settings to XML (or JSON for that matter) and for ease of programming and multiple read/writes, I have switched to SQLite. Sadly, I can't give an ETA. It will simple be done when it's done.

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LadyBlademaster
Event Horizon Expeditionaries
The Watchmen.
#200 - 2015-10-14 00:00:06 UTC
Quote:
after a long long while started using it again .. 4 clients on one screen piled on top of eachother and the eve-o thumbnails on the right edge of that screen for fast switching between the clients ..

had some wierd thing when some thumbnails were little "zoomed" didint show the hole client in there ticked and unticked the track client couple times minimized the clients and the thumbnails showed up as they should .. then i click on one and client shows up BUT the thumbnail itself turns mostly white and showing the client in the top left corner about 10% of the hole thumbnail size .. any advice ? .. w10 fault problems ? ... nohting like this happend when i was using w7 while back ..


as of the new launcher .. perhaps eve-o can drop some settings once the launcher is baked out of beta, but i dont see it replacing eve-o .. launcher as the name says is a launcher to open the clients and settings for em .. still would need a client switcher to toggle between the clients .. but time will tell what they come up with for the launcher ..


I can verify that theirs an issue with windows 10 - I also was getting memory leaks first into cpu then gpu which crashed my computer badly. Since found an app that let me install an older verson of aero and it seems to of ended the issue.