Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please don't mix up the things. It's a game as you said not real life with schools and colleges.
You also haven't read all the suggestions due to this thread came into tl;dr. It is not when you remap everytime you want, it is not the all skills which you can to remap.

And the real god mode is when you are allowed to have as many jc you want where you could allocate skills in you desired manner along with implants so you could simply jump all arround every 24 hrs. and be everything you want. Surprisingly noone yet suggested that.

Reading is hard sometimes i know it. If you didn't read actual proposal i feel sorry for that.
And please stop ref. to WoW i hqve never played this piece of ... art.

Chuckles at 'art'...

My real issue with the idea is twofold, firstly you are allowing people to erase 'mistakes' and basically change the history of their account. This offends my sensibilities as an old school RPG player but also goes against a core priciple of the game.

Secondly and more importantly in game mechanics to be useful this would require a sizeable chunk of sp to be remapped and in that case it can be abused. If it isn't a useful amount of sp the it isn't worth developer time to implement. If a mechanic starts needing multiple exceptions to function it is a bad mechanic and als becomes more of a code support pain with each workaround to take into account in future changes

Soooo.... PLEX transactions for SP?

One thing we've managed to agree on in this thread is no Pay-To-Win.
That and Malcanis's law

No to all but....

A certain amount of Plex to rename a character you bought on the bazaar
because like in RL you can change your name ( but your old name would be stored somewhere (agent locator?web site? employement history with a specific line for Name Change?

I'd say purchasing a character on bazaar is pretty close to satisfying the buying SP requirement. It's practical because it's a system that is already in place. In order to bring it closer to being a perfect solution, purchased characters would need to be personalized... the obvious one being the character's name.

That leaves things like race and bloodline, and gender, and employment history. Even without those things, it's a 90% solution (and a 90% around here is an A).

So I'm not sure it's worth making drastic changes to the SP accumulation mechanic we're all used to, and subscribed to.

Personally it would be tempting to be able to purchase skill-point remaps for some of my characters, I am sure there are many many Eve players who would be tempted by that ability.

But it really does get interesting when you consider whether this would be good for the game. As tempting as the ability to purchase SP remaps would be, I can't in all honesty say that it would be good for the game. Actually, it might even be bad for the game.

So, I wanted to add a fresh coat of perspective on this topic, from a player that has only one active toon, one account, and over 57mil SP.

Be warned, this might get long.

So, I've been in WH, null, and high. I've also done many low roams.
I'm not too grand at PVP, but can get by, if need be.
I prefer the carebear ways.
I've been around since '08, and have taken breaks here and there.

So, I began in Eve before there was much work on the "New Player Experience", and have battled through many hardships, especially when you consider I'm a casual player and prefer not to PVP.
My first bit of time was spent mining, as it's the only thing I could figure out. Now, this was before griefing/trolling/baiting/etc. was bannable in noob systems. So, needless to say, I lost a lot of ships before someone, who killed me 4 times in 10 minutes, decided to explain to me how the aggression mechanics worked. Once I heard this, I was able to actually start mining and making a profit. Mined and mined and mined, all while training for a Gallente BS, in hopes i would be able to blow something up. I thought I could just train into a BS and go blap NPCs out of the universe. Boy was I wrong.
Especially starting as a Gallente pilot, training Gallente ships. Man was I surprised to see my first Megathron get blapped by NPCs. Wish I would have known there was more to life than flying a ship at the time.
T1 BS, with T1 fittings, slim to no support skills, and no idea how to build a fit.. Needless to say, I lost that ship, and all the isk I had. So, I got back into mining. By this time, I had likely been in a corp, and possibly more than one, and had seen mining barges/exhumers. So, I knew there was a place to go.. So, while crappily mining one day in a barge, I decided I was bored and would go explore. Somehow, I managed to figure out how to probe.. Don't ask me where those skills came from.
in my (high sec) scanning adventures, I managed to come across the most beautiful sight I had ever seen. I would forever change my direction in Eve, and likely was the cause of my retention, and why I continue to come back to Eve.
It was the "Awe" of seeing a GOLEM. It amazing!!! On top of that, the player I scanned down was using 3 accounts, ALL IN GOLEMS!!!! THE TRIFECTA OF PERFECTION!!! When you're sitting in a frig, and this is your first time out of a 1.0 noob system, these things look like BEASTS.. This is when I began to study, and learn the ease of use for missiles.
I learned that, unlike turrets, missiles could be effective with low skill.
Unfortunately, I didn't have anything in shields, missiles, or Caldari ships. So, with a solid focus in mind, I grinded HARD...mining... That sucked quite a bit, but I was building Isk, building SP, buying books, and slowly buying up to the Golem... I finally got to the point where I could finally pilot a BS class missile boat.... THE RAVEN... Little brother to the Golem!!!
IT WAS TIME TO BLOW SOME $H!T UP!!!! For example, my Raven.... Yeah... turns out, though missiles can be effective with low skill; your fit, tank, dps, and everything else is also pretty important.
So, I was back to the mining grind stone, in order to build skills and get back into a functional Raven. Unfortunately, I got in the mining trap. I wanted more efficiency, thus more isk/hr. So, I cut off training for the Raven and worked my way into the HULK... At the time, it was the beast of mining. Nothing else could tank, produce, or carry near as much.
To make a long story short, after some Hulk losses, Raven losses, attempts at getting into worthwhile corps, trying low and null sec, trolls, baits, bumps, camps, etc. etc. etc... I finally made it into the GOLEM!!!
Only to find out, it was an utter pile of crap!!!... No wonder why that guy had 3... This was before Bastion, before NPCs swapped targets, and all the other things. He had one Golem tanking/drawing damps/jams, and two with TPs and cruise to actually be able to apply reasonable damage and complete mission. (BTW, this was pre-missile changes as well.)
I even tried the Torp Golem, only to find that it face melted even worse; because, by the time you could apply damage, you were getting hit for max damage... Not to mention that if you're not lvl 5 range skills, with T2 range rigs, BS's orbiting at max NPC range (somewhere around 50km) could actually out range your torps... AHHH!!!
I hated life at this point... However, I still had my mining career to fall back on, and I had trained myself up into an ORCA!!! HAHA!!! This would get me into a decent corp for sure!
Finally got invited to a Corp and wanted to show that I could be a helpful part of socie....wait what??? Oh, you already have 4 orca pilots with max skills and boosts.... Great.... Guess I own this big 800 mil (at the time) ship for nothing... Glad I sold all my other goodies in order to afford it... Good news though... I was able to sell it and afford a Hulk AND a Raven.
So, I maxed out my hulk capabilities, so that I could be a great asset to fleet mining. I also got a good bit more focused with the Raven, IE max missile support skills. Unfortunately, I was now in Caldari space, where the Golem had failed so badly, and was still spending a lot of time jammed by NPCs. this is when I found out about that sneaky little b@stard, the Tengu...
900 dps, 100km range, over 200m/s without props, strong sensors, better tank than a Golem(not even factoring sig), AND it was a missile boat??? SOLD... Got all the skills, got myself setup, spent the 1bil on the ship itself(they cost a lot more back in the day). NOW I was missioning like a champ!!! BAM HML NERF!! SON OF A .....!!!!! I can't win, even if the task is losing!!
Oh well... I was thinking about getting into lasers anyway... Tired of buying ammo all the time.... This is where the Nightmare came in... GREAT PVE ship... I loved that thing... Oh, BTW.......

Oh, and BTW, It's a big NO from me on being able to purchase SP.
If you spent the time required earning that SP, you should be able to do what you want with it, but there definitely SHOULD NOT be a way to buy SP.

This reminded me of one time I was ninja salvaging, and warped in on an Armageddon doing some sort of a high level mission. I think that was the first time I had seen a battleship up close, so yeah, I just cloaked and stood there watching in awe as he just blapped the rats one after another. The best part was that he made all the wrecks blue as he warped away. Best day ever.

In regards to the topic, ehhh, If I wanted, and could afford, I'd just go to the bazaar and buy a 140m SP toon. That still wouldn't make me much better at EvE, as no amount of SP can replace IRL skills.