Intergalactic Summit

Well I never said anything about empires... they're on their way out, anyway - just look at how much pull all the capsuleer groups have nowadays.

I'm sure if CEOs ponied up some of their corporate cash we'd be able to eradicate them much faster. The problem is it's too early to say which side to dump money into...

Hear, hear!

In addition...

If the Tyrannos lay claim to any area of New Eden, looking back to their seeming inheritance of "the legacy of some of the most ancient Jove", I can only assume it will be the Heaven constellation of Curse, and surrounding areas.

At one time, the Jove were rooted in that area; if the Tyrannos inherit an ancient Jove legacy, I am confident that an area near Heaven will be their future home in New Eden, if anywhere.

Whatever their goal is, its not good for us. That much is clear. That alone should be enough to oppose them. Capsuleers have taken down their ships before, they arent invincible and they dont have our numbers. I say strike while we have the numerical advantage. During our attacks we will discover what they are after. Right now they are focusing on salvaging jove tech, each day gaining more and more. I say stop them before we cant.

To date I've see zero Drifter presence in Curse.

The Jovian connection to Heaven is so old, it's almost legend. If there is any legacy left behind, it's that this is where the Jove got sick? Maybe the Drifters/Jove wouldn't be so quick to return?

But maybe this explains their ramped up presence in Amarr? If they were looking to settle old scores...

Again, more conjecture, little facts.

"Don't interfere in our operations."

A message that empires and capsuleers say every day with the same language.

I don't understand. Are you advocating that we should stop scanning them as well, because they scan us too?

Are you also advocating that they should continue to use violence to find vessels for communication (corpses)?

Are you advocating that we should kill off our own to that they might be able to communicate?

Do you believe their current form doesn't allow them to understand simple binary coded messages?

It is simple, if they trespass and break laws in Amarr sovereign space, they should be treated as pirates and dealt with accordingly. Why should they receive some exempt status?

1. No.

2. No.

3. No.

4. Communication may not be perceived. Just as we look for such communication and do not understand theirs, the inverse is also possible.

5. We are Capsuleers. We can choose to act as we please. Has the Amarr Empire stated to Loyalists that they must interdict Drifter assets? If not, then is it not optional?

Communication is possible. I am not saying that it is achievable. Every effort should, however, be made. My suggestion is to first attempt to gain access to the means of communication. If that is not possible, we should attempt to develop a method of communication.

The fact is, Echo may be right. We've already tried peaceful communication before engaging, and where did it get us?
Nowhere.

They refused to listen, and heck they don't even have vocal chords so they might not even be able to talk, or understand what it is.

I'm on the borderline at the moment, but will see if I can get the attacks stopped.

Perhaps that is part of the plan of the Drifters.

Think about the processes they use, their behavior. Add to this the semantics used in their identification. "Vigilant". To watch over a long period of time.

If I were the Drifters, and I knew of Capsuleers, I would allow their natural instincts take over. Use these "high value targets" as bait to learn as much as I can about Capsuleers. Set up a simple test target, such as the Circadian Seekers. Escalate the observation by adding defensive response. Further escalate the test by bringing in test assets to observe continued aggression and escalation of opposition.

It is not just potential war we are avoiding by non-violence, but denying the enemy further data points should violence become a necessity.

It is perhaps too late, but communication is still possible. Recent intel shows potential for invasion force, or mass migration. If the term Drifter is any indication, these assets are migratory and as such could conceivably maintain extended aggression over a wide target area. The question; are they migrating to us, or somewhere else? I suggest the latter; if such an invasion were to occur, it would put a strain on the resources of a migratory society. It is more likely that the Drifters are attempting to gain access to a new region, one which we may be on the verge of discovering. Wormholes previously undiscovered have appeared, Sansha's Nation has wormhole generation technology. It is only a matter of time before this technology progresses. If we are seen as a competitor, one with greater resources, they will not attempt direct conflict. They will attempt to avoid us, while also preparing for an eventual confrontation.

If we can avoid violence, if we can form an alliance, we would be greater than we are individually. We would be able to expand without need for competition. Capsuleers, in our current fractured state, are most likely seen as unsuitable allies. If, however, we present some sort of unified front devoted to peace, we may potentially gain an ally that can give us freedom from the Empires.

Think about this for a moment. Expanding into new regions, with powerful allies and new tools.

Can we put our short term wants aside for long term benefit? At this time, perhaps not, but it is a noble goal, non?