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Violence Against Drifter Assets Must Not Continue
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Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2015-05-02 20:56:08 UTC
I humbly request all aggression towards Drifter assets cease. All efforts from this point forward should be attempts to communicate.

If Drifter assets are intercepting this communication, I request contact to begin a dialogue. I reside within Yulai.

To the Nations of New Eden, I say this: Drifter assets predate ours. This is their space. We must learn to co-exist.

We observe. We wait. We prepare. As one.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#2 - 2015-05-02 21:21:04 UTC
No one is going to listen to the request of a Nation loyalist.


And this is our space, not theirs. If they wish to communicate then they can be the ones to initiate it, after leaving our space. Judging from past experience with these drifters, seekers, sleepers, and so on, communication is not something they will be doing anytime soon.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2015-05-02 22:08:30 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
No one is going to listen to the request of a Nation loyalist.


What was that? Can't hear you over the noise all of these medals the 24th IC has given me. Speak up.

Samira Kernher wrote:
And this is our space, not theirs.


A man walks in to a cave to escape a fierce blizzard outside. The sun has gone and he cannot see. Blindly, he gropes deeper into the cave to escape the cruel winds that bite at his skin. Upon making his way in he discovers a large patch of warm moss and lays down to rest.

And then it moves. It is not moss, but the fur of a bear. The man jumps up and protests this.

"I came in to this cave to escape the wind! I have no where else to go! I did not see you when I came in so I claimed this cave!"

However, the bear was there first and did not care what the newcomer claimed. More importantly, it was a bear. So it simply ate the man.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#4 - 2015-05-02 22:22:14 UTC
Quaint, but in our story the bear left the cave long before we found it. We have taken and sculpted that cave, molded and decorated it. It is our cave, and we will not be cowed and flee just because that bear has wandered back.

And the Lord spake, and said, Lo, my people,
Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven;
And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen,
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
- Reclaiming 3.19
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2015-05-02 22:31:18 UTC
Best of luck, then.

For what it's worth I do think that due to the overly hostile welcome they received that war is inevitable. I am not sure of the scale though and if alliances should be discussed. But if it comes down to it and I am forced to fight the Drifters in the defense of New Eden, don't worry. Like Metropolis, I would be willing to do your job for you so long as it is in the best interests of myself and my brethren.
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2015-05-02 22:51:47 UTC
Parables are not the most efficient way to communicate a point.

Look at the data collected from the Observatories. It is as if a lone voice was wishing the world were quiet, when all it's manipulations created only chaos. Every move creating more and more distortion, until one day, it comes crashing down and all it's work has crumbled around it.

We are not looking at the Master, we are looking at the hands of a God whom no longer understands His creation.

We must show that we are willing to listen. We must show that we are willing to learn. We must understand it's words. We must reclaim our rightful place. But we do not need to do so through violence.
Jade Blackwind
#7 - 2015-05-02 23:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Drifters are tools, made from salvaged Jovian flesh and scraps of ancient technology. Trying to talk or coexist with them is like trying to talk or coexist with a cruise missile. Or, if we talk biology, they are the immune system, and we are the disease.

If you want to talk or coexist, see through the spirits that are within those puppets. Seek out the source. But I doubt it - whatever it is - will talk to you.

The Talocans once discovered what we now call W-Space. With their static gate technology and nomadic culture, they began to colonize it. Talocan Polestars, think our POS towers. Like the capsuleer alliances are all over the Anoikis now.

Ask the Talocans, how it all turned out.
Markus Error
Manfios
#8 - 2015-05-03 01:09:41 UTC
Personally, a fire-if-fired-upon strategy would be lovely.

If, you know, anyone survived the first shot from the Drifters. And scripture aside, I agree with Pilot Kernher; we own New Eden. If the Sleepers want it? They'll have to find a means to remove us first, it would seem.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-05-03 02:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Miss Echo,

We can talk about no-fire policies as soon as your master ends the incursions.

What little communication that has occurred, has happened between the Drifters and people far above our pay-grade. Either they've communicated to Kuvakei and he doesn't think you need to know, or he's not high enough on the pecking order to warrant communication either. Oh I suppose your message could be his attempt at trying to be clever, but subtlety hasn't really been a part of the Nation's programming.

I think you may be in right in that things point to much of HiSec having been their home first. I don't see a future in which any government shrugs and moves out of their own volition.

Oh and Miss Polevhia? Jingle all you want. It's well known that redemption can be bought through a hefty donation of ISK to the Theology Council and CONCORD. It still doesn't make you Amarr. You're not going to be winning any poplularity contests with the rest of the loyalists any time soon.

I'll reserve my "I told you so's" for a later date.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-05-03 02:39:35 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
We can talk about no-fire policies as soon as your master ends the incursions.

Error of assumption. I do not speak for Nation in this regard. I speak for myself, and for potential peace before we are thrust into a war that can be avoided by simply leaving them to their tasks.

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What little communication that has occurred, has happened between the Drifters and people far above our pay-grade. Either they've communicated to Kuvakei and he doesn't think you need to know, or he's not high enough on the pecking order to warrant communication either. Oh I suppose your message could be his attempt at trying to be clever, but subtlety hasn't really been a part of the Nation's programming.

I am uncertain of your implied meaning here?

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I think you may be in right in that things point to much of HiSec having been their home first. I don't see a future in which any government shrugs and moves out of their own volition.

Thank you for understanding my message. Despite our differences in allegiance it is comforting to know that my words do not fall on wholly deaf ears.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-05-03 02:58:47 UTC
Apologies for the assumption. Not many of your Nation speak freely and those few that do are usually suspect.

What I mean to say is that it seems that some level of communication has already occurred. And we Capsuleers, like most of the baseline population, are not of high enough position to warrant full disclosure of the true state of affairs. Potentially worse, we're on the cutting edge of intel concerning some aspects of the Drifters, which means we know a few more things than the people giving the orders.

I understand your message, but your message has fallen mostly on holy deaf ears.



"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#12 - 2015-05-03 04:45:58 UTC
Quote:


A man walks in to a cave to escape a fierce blizzard outside. The sun has gone and he cannot see. Blindly, he gropes deeper into the cave to escape the cruel winds that bite at his skin. Upon making his way in he discovers a large patch of warm moss and lays down to rest.

And then it moves. It is not moss, but the fur of a bear. The man jumps up and protests this.

"I came in to this cave to escape the wind! I have no where else to go! I did not see you when I came in so I claimed this cave!"

However, the bear was there first and did not care what the newcomer claimed. More importantly, it was a bear. So it made a fine coat to protect against the cold, and food to sustain the man when he continued his journey.

The alternate ending.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#13 - 2015-05-03 08:06:59 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
...It still doesn't make you Amarr. You're not going to be winning any poplularity contests with the rest of the loyalists any time soon.


And if I cared about what they thought, I would be singing a whole different tune. Their church can rot for all I care. Chanting and praying to an empty altar. No more getting a response than the Matari's spirits. I'm not fighting for the 24th IC out of some attempt to regain status in the eyes of the Amarr. I'm fighting for Pyre because of my duty to them.

Claudia Osyn wrote:

The alternate ending.


Killing the bear is certainly possible. Though it's far too early to say how probable it is. If every mind of New Eden set aside their hatreds and worked as one, I think it would be a guaranteed victory. But that's not going to happen. It's just down to a question of how much force are the Drifters going to bring versus how much of a response can New Eden offer up reasonably?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2015-05-03 09:55:54 UTC
Back to the Temple with all of you - Evi just pointed out that we haven't gotten even close to one of the fundamental questions yet and nobody else has really talked about it either.

She mentioned that the Empires are truly terrifying in power when they work together - but that they are willing to allow enemies that could be swatted easily to exist, rather than cooperate with each other. That reminded me of the reason the early State survived in its war against the Federation - because they made their conquest higher than the Federation was willing to pay. And so it goes - Nation, the Blooders, the Guri, Serpentis, the Cartel... All of them survive because their hosts aren't willing to pay the price it would take to truly purge them.

So, look at the Drifters. It's one thing to calculate strength - any idiot can count - but quite another to make guesses about their Will to fight. In order to know that we'd have to know:

1. Why they are fighting.
2. What they are willing to spend for their goals.

And we don't know either. Not even remotely.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-05-03 17:58:50 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
I humbly request all aggression towards Drifter assets cease. All efforts from this point forward should be attempts to communicate.

If Drifter assets are intercepting this communication, I request contact to begin a dialogue. I reside within Yulai.

To the Nations of New Eden, I say this: Drifter assets predate ours. This is their space. We must learn to co-exist.

We observe. We wait. We prepare. As one.


While your request is one I already concur with, you cannot presume any authority over other capsuleers and their corporations. Given your background, many will consider your request a conflict of interests.

Capsuleer aggression has already been instigated against the Drifters while no communication attempts from the Drifters have been recorded. I would surmise the Drifters take little notice of us much as the farmer cares not for the insects he treads upon unless they sting him or harm his crops. If this is indeed their space, they operate on cultural paradigms that we have been unable to understand, making co-existence impossible.
Kybernetes Moros
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#16 - 2015-05-03 19:23:13 UTC
I can understand your point of view--or, at least, I think I can. Past experience suggests that thinking I understand and actually understanding really are two very disjunct things.

They were here before us, and yeah, poking and prodding at the mysterious ancient entities with mind-boggling technologies probably isn't the greatest idea ever--hypocritical as that may be--but negotiation is a two-way street. Even we made clear what we were doing and said 'stay back'.

You're not the first to offer up diplomatic avenues, even if you may be one of the better-qualified to do so, and I doubt you'll be the last. If it works, super! If it doesn't, well, life goes on, eh?

As an aside--hello again!
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#17 - 2015-05-04 02:59:00 UTC
It's too late for a cease fire. People kept provoking them, and now they're coming for you.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2015-05-04 04:11:31 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
It's too late for a cease fire. People kept provoking them, and now they're coming for you.

They seem to be coming for something, anyway.
Tatius Jorgstern
Azimuth Enterprises
#19 - 2015-05-04 05:33:11 UTC
Drifters don't consider us important enough to communicate with on a level footing. They harvest our dead clones to build their own bodies up, that's an act of aggression against us. A single message they've already communicated.

As for it being "their" assets, I strongly disagree with. The observatories aren't theirs as far as we know. And since these clandestine installations were placed to spy on us since before the capsuleer age, it is within our right to find out what information has been gathered.

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Katiya Khadiija
The Juice Factory
#20 - 2015-05-05 01:01:17 UTC
Being in the position I am, I'm certainly more interested in the technology than the history. Kill 'em for all I care, just let my engineers get their hands on the debris from time to time.

For what it's worth, there's no sense calling on capsuleers to do anything - we are a wild bunch and all have our own agendas. Show me a cause worth fighting for, or a threat sufficiently frightening, and I'll show you a formidable army of united pilots. As it stands, the Drifters more or less keep to themselves and therefore aren't perceived as the threat they really are yet. Surely over time they will become more aggressive, at which point they will begin showing their true colors, thus allowing capsuleers to mobilize, united.
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