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Any skin on any ship - bug on SiSi - yes we could have skins on ships

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2015-05-02 16:57:28 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:


Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD


I love how your face is basically the Police Comet SKIN :D

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Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#122 - 2015-05-02 17:03:54 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Spc One wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.


These skins look amazing.

http://www.netsky.org/eve/PhantasmPolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/NightmarePolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/EosSarum.png

I hope that ccp will provide us with 2 basic color scheme skins that can be applied to any ship, not just t-1 variants.
Cool

This would be super awesome.

And it would upgrade tournament visuals, imagine red and blue teams on the screen, anybody also comentators on twitch knows who is who just by looking at ship.



This is the best idea to come out of this discussion.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2015-05-02 17:37:36 UTC
I would love to see this as a permanent feature with some slight modifications.
It should only apply to each hull size category not any hull you want. Second each skin should cost at least $20

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-05-02 17:38:27 UTC
I'd also like to add something else to my point from lastnight when I replied to CCP Darwin.

How is painting a ship with different skins, any more "Lore" breaking than my Gal Character using Caldari Navy ships? With Minmatar Navy Modules? To fight for the Sansha against the Amarr? It isn't.

For the people that need to live by the Lore, the Roll-Players and such, they can just not use the skins.. Done.. For those like me, who see the Lore as much more open, or others who just don't care, it gives us so many more options.

Lore should not be an excuse to limit the players without a damn good reason. There are good reasons why we can't use Jove ships and weapons. There's no good reason you can give why we can't dock at Jita 4-4, give some people there some isk, and have them put a crew together to paint our ships :p Now piratical reasons for why we can't just do Custom skins, I get that. But why I can't give my Paladin a Quafe paintjob, or paint my Vindicator Khanid.. restrictions like this are artificial, and I don't just mean the "system" can handle it, but I also mean it has no more impact on the game than the fact that anyone from any empire can fly any empires Navy ships, or use their Navy modules, or fight for their Faction Warfare, etc..

The response to this bug has been overwhelmingly positive. Everyone loves the ability to use their skins on anything they want. while some skins clearly need to go through QA for some issues, this has no effect on gameplay. Find a way to let us keep it.
Mario Putzo
#125 - 2015-05-02 17:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Raise the price of skins a bit, and let them apply to any ship in the game. Remove skin changing in space, and make it a station service, where you spend some ISK to get the paint. If CCP is truly opposed to folks "cross skining" their ships, make it so using cross faction skins costs more isk to "paint" on the ship.

Bingo Bango, a new ISK sink, everyone is happy with universal skins, CCP still makes bank, and the only limitation is how often CCP releases new skins to its store.

This "bug" is by far one of the most hyped features CCP has released in a long time "fixing" it would be a huge mistake I think.


The coolest thing of all this though, shows CCP is entirely capable of giving us corp designed ship skins, that can in fact apply to any type of ship that corp fields.

I should add i have not bought any skins, i wasn't going to because arbitrary limitation on what can use them sucks...guess i will now wait on CCP to see if this remains, if so I will probably be shopping in the AUR store...if not, the new rendering of current ship models still looks nice enough.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#126 - 2015-05-02 17:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
My head hurts from trying to understand CCP. When they had a horrible idea that was universally hated by EvE players(gold ammo and $1000 jeans) they tried to ram it down our throats and then they had to fire 20% of their work force because a lot of us quit.......now there is something we want and CCP is like uhhhhhhh you can't have it because reasons!

Do you folks want money or not, you're worse than a girlfriend.

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2015-05-02 18:02:33 UTC
I think I found a new favorite, the Quafe Incursus: http://i.imgur.com/LEje2EA.jpg

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#128 - 2015-05-02 18:20:11 UTC
Faction npc can differentiate by markers rather than skin..everybody happy.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#129 - 2015-05-02 18:24:50 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
I think I found a new favorite, the Quafe Incursus: http://i.imgur.com/LEje2EA.jpg

You should make branding decisions in CCP.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Solecist Project
#130 - 2015-05-02 18:43:12 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:


Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD


I love how your face is basically the Police Comet SKIN :D

Why thank you, mister Motorcyclist. :)

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chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2015-05-02 18:47:42 UTC
It will be interesting to see public reaction when CCP "fixes" this bug and people loose the ability to apply skins to what ever ship they want.

Shooting monument will be child's play in comparison to outrage we will have on our hands.

You cant give us a shiny toy and then take it away on Christmas morning, because it was for other kid and our name on box was there by mistake.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#132 - 2015-05-02 18:47:52 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:


Bingo Bango, a new ISK sink, everyone is happy with universal skins,


Mario, you've been around long enough to know that's not true.

As has been shown literally hundreds of times over the last decade, no matter how much CCP try to cater to the vocal minority, it's never good enough. So while your idea (and others in this thread) may seem like a good one, it won't be good enough for most here.

Hell. CCP could give all the skins away and there would be a threadnaught from the whiners crying that there should be free ships to put them on.

You know, I feel for these guys. We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors.

At what point should CCP just throw up their hands and say, "**** it. These idiots will never be happy so why should we even try?"

Mr Epeen Cool
Valterra Craven
#133 - 2015-05-02 18:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Valterra Craven
CCP Darwin wrote:


The challenge is making something that makes sense in terms of the game.


No, there is no challenge. This is not some complicated problem. You guys need to take a step back and think about things as a whole and stop trying to shoehorn what you guys want in vs what players are actually asking for.

So here's at the minimum how this should have played out. Each race has several color schemes that they have assigned to them based on the corps and lore. aka Gallente have greens/blues/ etc. You convert the hulls to have "colorized" parts aka certain sections of the ship like you have now in the skins that will take the predetermined color. This means that once every ship is done you don't have to re-invent the wheel (aka test every skin you do now) so thoroughly.

The down side to this is that you can't money grub on players for "things" that should essentially be free/covered in the sub price. You didn't charge us for all the model upgrades. You didn't charge us when you upgraded the lighting, and you don't charge us for any other "art" in the game that is developed.

The problem with EVE's payment model and others is that we pay a sub already. Most other games that have micro transactions have free to play options or their transactions are actually ya know, "micro". The sub we are ALL paying (regardless of the means) should more than cover the time it took to release the current SKIN system (or ya know actually give players what they asked for in CUSTOMIZABLE SHIPS). But you guys just can't admit that you are wrong on this thing. You want everything to be about lore, and yet here we have a RL life store stuck smack dab in the middle of the client?!

CCP Darwin wrote:

EVE is an MMO where people work a very long time to achieve what they do, and dramatic looks need to stay special and rare in that context.


Why? Not everything has to be a terrible grind like skills or standings. Wanting to change the drab color scheme on a single ship shouldn't in anyway be special or rare. You guys have spent the last few years simplifying EVE (particularly skills, and are even talking about removing attributes altogether) and some how you can't realize that the more you make the system less accessible to people that the less people are going to be interested in it?!

CCP Darwin wrote:

The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.


Then why aren't you know actually doing that? Its not like we are getting faction/corp skins from the actual corps that would be selling them IN GAME! What you've done is created an income stream solely separated from the game itself and now you want to make excuses because players have actually discovered what they wanted in the first place is already doable now FROM A BUG.

CCP Darwin wrote:

Edit: Note that existing faction looks do have a lore connection in terms of to what ships they apply that we're not eager to throw away, but that doesn't mean that there can't be potential future SKINs that are not constrained by lore in any way.


Then what you should have done is put them in the LP stores in the first place. Not money grubbed. That cat is already out of the bag. The choices now are to continue with your current plan, customers be damned, or adapt, admit your mistake and show the world that you guys can do things for the benefit of your customers.
Valterra Craven
#134 - 2015-05-02 19:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Valterra Craven
Mr Epeen wrote:

We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors.
Mr Epeen Cool


I'm pretty sure that the current system is not what I've seen constantly asked for.

What we asked for was a hamburger and what we got was half a hamburger that costs triple what a normal one does.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2015-05-02 19:11:29 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
I think I found a new favorite, the Quafe Incursus: http://i.imgur.com/LEje2EA.jpg

I'm in love.
chelly Dian
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#136 - 2015-05-02 19:24:19 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors.
Mr Epeen Cool


I'm pretty sure that the current system is not what I've seen constantly asked for.

What we asked for was a hamburger and what we got was half a hamburger that costs triple what a normal one does.



We got an iBurger

Its not quite unlike a hamburger and costs 3 times more.

But you feel special as F when you buy it.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#137 - 2015-05-02 19:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
chelly Dian wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

We asked for skins. CCP gave us skins. And still nothing but rage from the forum warriors.
Mr Epeen Cool


I'm pretty sure that the current system is not what I've seen constantly asked for.

What we asked for was a hamburger and what we got was half a hamburger that costs triple what a normal one does.



We got an iBurger

Its not quite unlike a hamburger and costs 3 times more.

But you feel special as F when you buy it.



Why not like those kids in special schools. They are happy all the time. They also don't often have too much understanding of the value of things either. They would make excellent customer base for CCP microtransactions it seems.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#138 - 2015-05-02 19:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
CCP Darwin wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Any hope of current skins being less restrictive in hull application even if confined racially or by other lore components? At current it seems like this system will either leave a lot of options out for a lot of hulls even within lore lines or just introduce a number of skins exponentially greater than the number of ships if not both.


The reaction of the community to this is going to stimulate a lot of conversation. I won't be the one making the choices about where to go with the feature from here, though. My job is to enable whatever's needed. :)

While I completely acknowledge the technical and lore reasons for not implementing this officially at this point, once the technical vetting is done please pass along this consideration to those concerned with preserving the look and lore of EVE.

Currently pilots of any race can fly missions for these corporations/groups while being from any racial background, and flying any ship they like, in missions representing these organizations as an official agent.

I don't feel that it would violate lore in any way to contract missions from of these organizations and obtain a license to fly their colors.

In essence, you could base the NES store sales (and other future outlets for SKINs) around license purchases for the right to represent a particular organization. For example, I would be purchasing a license (say for the equivalent of a PLEX) to officially represent Sarum or Kador, or anyone else for that matter. I then have the right to put their colors on any ship I care to fly. This actually fits into the lore of EVE more realistically than artificial limitations do.

If you wish to tie this into lore more closely, in most cases require a certain amount of standings be earned with that entity to be able to purchase the license. Perhaps even to the point where the amount of standings you have would determine what class of ships you can apply the SKIN to. Low positive standings allow use of these colors on frigates, the highest levels of standings would allow them on cap ships.

And if you don't have any standings, or negative standings, you either can't activate the license or it costs you double the amount to purchase and use them (black market purchases basically). Your standings requirements actually should probably have more to do with the ability to use the license rather than your ability to purchase them. This would encourage market trade of the licenses.

Or skip tying it to standings altogether and simply assume that money talks.

Tech limitations I can see.... the fact that it changes CCP's plans for marketing them I can see... but lore would certainly allow for it if handled in this (or a similar) fashion.

Frankly, it would be a very good idea from a business point of view to consider how many more skins would be sold (and the potential profit to be made) if this wildly popular ability can be incorporated in this or a similar fashion.

As always CCP Darwin, thank you for communicating with us on this issue so frankly... and consider this post to be meant in the most constructive way possible.

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#139 - 2015-05-02 19:55:04 UTC
Who would have thought we would be thanking the POS code for this "feature".

Yaay!!!!
dhunpael
#140 - 2015-05-02 20:14:52 UTC
Since my thread was closed=>

When are we getting these?
They exist in the database, are linkable but just not enabled for us.

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