Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We wanna drop the speed to make the higgs anchors work reliably on them. They're pretty fast, like all frigs, and speed helps them tank coupled with sig radius. Speed is a requirement for that survivability, but its tied to sig radius as well.

We can reduce sig radius so then we can also reduce speed, in order to get the higgs anchor to work on them. Right now, 'they'll do 105m/s which still will pull them far off target. The lower cargohold is a factor in that they might be able to stick around to full with the higgs anchor providing the slow speed full alignment, however they also mine slower as well.

Dropping the speed to around 200-250 would give enough time with a higgs anchor on to mine fully before warping out, without going too far from the roids.

The difference in the higgs anchor for frigs, obviously ventures, and higgs anchor for cruiser sized ships, obviously barges, is that barges have far more m3 rate, move slower, and can pew roids from a longer distance than ventures.

We can put a bonus to mining range on ventures, to work with the new lower speed combined with higgs to get their hold full on a single pass. Then we can drop the sig radius of ventures so that the speed tanking ability is similar to what it was before. Lock speed shouldn't really be an issue as you cant pin them down without a bunch of help anyway.

Ventures really need a way to toe that line between themselves and a barge, to be able to have slightly shy of 100% of isk income than a highsec barge by banging away lowsec ores, while at the same time, they need to not come close to a barge's haul for the same type of ore. Is this a problem with venture bonuses or a problem with mineral distribution?

The reason they need a way to validate their existence in lowsec, as the go-to ship for dangerous mining ops, should be relatively obvious. Interestingly, the WC bonus seems moot or useless, because barges make such better monies. In addition to that, they're a really, really cheap ship, so who cares if they get blown up? I can only see them being of value when you have some critical ore haul you want to get back. Otherwise, I'd take a stabbed procurer or something...

The abilities of ventures are, in essence, wasted because they're pretty useless once you skill into a barge.

I'll wait between crickets for anyone who's found them useful for their Warp Core Strength bonus in terms of profitable mining.

Tell me why the venture has +2 WC strength then. Lots of newbies being scrammed in high sec?

Obviously they intended it for a dangerous role. The newbie ship is half the equation. Furthermore, you'll read the idea in full and realize I said specifically that they shouldnt be able to compete with a barge when mining the same ore. Only when they mine much more valuable ore could they get near, not equal to or greater than, but near, the isk/hour of a high sec veld barge, but when they're going into the danger zones and mining lowsec hedbergite, etc.

CCP obviously intended it to be used, perhaps for corp ops, in dangerous locations, possibly over using barges, in order to minimize risk and get miners into lowsec. That doesn't work if the isk/hour is still very inferior to a mining barge.

Exactly. The frig isnt supposed to sit still, which is what happens with a non-aligned venture sitting at 0m/s because being aligned would drag it far off the roids.

The higgs + speed reduction makes it able to keep moving, not being still, while mining, and not go off target.

Doesn't work. Too few rigs and lowslots. I've tried it.

I addressed the lower speed issue in OP with lowering sig radius, since the number "on the tin" for tracking speed on ship guns is not the whole truth. a 0.01 tracking gun with 400 sig es vs 40 sig radius is actually tracking, and thus hitting with an accuracy of, 0.001 vs that target, so the speed of that target doesn't have to be as high to dodge that gun because the sig radius is smaller.

Already covered changing topspeed and sig to allow slow moving ventures to speed tank, honey. It has nothing to do with hull/shield/armor tank fitting ability.

Ventures need to go fast. I fail to understand why you'd put a higgsrig on a venture in the first place, it just turns you unable to burn out of sabre bubbles. Ventures are gas mining ships for booster/polymer gas. Atleast their yield is a fraction more than appropriately fitted CBCs with a bit more cargo, so there was a trend here I assume.

A yield-fitted prospect with 4 MLUs mines about 60% as much as a retriever afaik. It's worse, but then again you're in a much more survivable and cheaper ship.

For both, the warpcore stab bonus is really handy. It got me out of numerous occasions and made me miss numerous times, I appreciate this side of the ship.

Mining is one of its uses. Even Procurer at 200m/s is fast for higgs, but none complains. The other 2 mining barges, which go around 100m/s, can fully used and gain from it.

Thinking one item its use is only that then you using it the wrong way.