EVE General Discussion

it amazes my how you fight the incursion corner here by enforcing that incursions are risky enough and do not need changed in highsec then on the other hand you put a F&I thread up suggesting that security should be disrupted in incursion zones to encourage pvp by turning off gate and station guns along with concord.

Im sorry, when did I say Incursions were risky enough? I think I have said numerous times that risk/reward is not, and never has been a balancing metric. I posted that thread in F+I so it would create a "thunderdome" type area in HS for those that wish to PVP. I never directed it as an anti-incursion thing, it was the posters following me that created that dialogue.

Id like to see Sansha Incursions actually have a REAL impact on the space they occur in, not some marginally ineffective changes to isk earned, or damage done. I said the same in this very thread several times that CONCORD and system security in general should be removed because it doesn't mesh with the idea that a Pirate Faction essentially controls a group of systems within HS space.

In regards to my purpose in this thread, I am keeping folks like Baltec1 honest in his intentions. There is no need to reduce isk/hr, there is no need to increase associated risk while running incursions. Both of these aspects are completely fine and I will argue that point for as long as I feel necessary.

If that makes Incursions a bit more risky to get to, and move between, than that is the rub...I am sure the Incursion community will find ways to overcome that barrier and still be capable of earning their 200m/hr running incursions. It will also give HS folks a place to brawl, without needing to resort to Wardecs, and Ganking.

They don't make their isk in null.



Oh it isn't. Highsec if full of morons who think null is where the isk is at. These are the same people who fall for our scams and think the best way to make isk from missions is to kill and salvage everything. They are the same people who think moons print infinite amounts of isk and honestly think the blue doughnut exists. Why do you think we were ranting this trash space out to start with? If it was any good we would be using it ourselves rather than using alts in highsec.

Funny how you compare apples, oranges and bananas.
You seem angry, because you just can'g manage to get anyone to tell you that you're right.

Yeah it really seems like that.

Renters were idiots. And not only that, were many of them carebears.
How I know? From every single whine about afk cloaking ...
... and me being smart enough to read up about how it works.

Renters were carefully chosen. The last thing any alliance wants ...
... is to invite the enemy right into it's territory.

Carebears were the easy and reliable way.
Idiots who do nothing else but farming pixel money.

Horde, Karma etc are there to get them into Null from the start.
That's not comparable to players who started in highsec.
It's not comparable to anything ... but BNI.

These people might ha e a chance not to become idiots ...
... and those who already are will drop out anyways.

"Bloobloobloo, other people are getting stuff and I. DON'T. LIKE IT!"

Bout sum it up?

Whats your point? Still folks entering into NS despite the "lack of rewards" for doing so. Obviously there is reason for these people to go there, and they do. Carebear, Leet PVPer, Idiot, or Genius, all irrelevant descriptions of bodies moving to 0.0. Which some folks claim is not a thing, yet clearly is a thing.

If they dont live in null sov then fozziesov wont work. It needs people to live in sov space so yes, it does matter where they make their isk.

Not looking for an isk making guide, im asking for this source that shows BNI and others make their ISK outside of NS. You do have a source for that right? Otherwise, folks might think you are talking out your ass.

NS is empty because there simply are not enough pilots to give it a good activity ratio, and current gameplay mechanics encourage everyone sitting in a few systems instead of spreading out and using them all. Which will change when Fozziesov makes it so used systems are harder to take, and generate better rewards the higher their sov index gets.

The fact that null sov is mostly empty and unused.

Which is 100% an issue with how NS currently works, its numerous barriers of entry, and the fact up until recently anyone trying to enter into NS (outside of renting) would be met with a Blob of ****. Case in point, BL. takes QCAB CFC responds by hellcamping an empty Venal station for 2 weeks. Super engaging stuff. Why live there, when you can live in HS and day trip to LS or NS to PVP.

NS is empty because Coalition gameplay has made it a super **** experience, and greatly limits the infusion of new players.

Granted that mold has been broken some in recent years, Rental Empires, Phoebe changes, more and more people now entering into NS than were previously.

But they are idiots right and don't count?