EVE General Discussion

While this is true, if there was no demand for the plexes, CCP wouldn't be making money off the people who purchase them and put them on the market. So the incursion runners and anyone else that makes billions in a week do in fact contribute to CCP's wallet. Job creators don't create jobs. They capitalize on an opportunity no one else sees. In a way, people that pay for plex via isk are working for some other player whose time is too good to do such a menial task. When looked at it from this perspective it's a very mutual benefiting exchange. CCP already got their money because player X purchased it to make isk off of player Y. It's literally player trading confined to account time, and now the NES store. It's a genius idea and I'm glad the game has it. Makes it more exciting for me personally.

As much as possible a game should "make sense" and be internally consistent. It once was. If you were a PVE centric player, You start in high sec (like everyone else), you build yourself up, learn the game as best you can, and when you got bored of the missions and wanted more isk, you went outside of the safety net, and while you would incur some losses, if you did it right (like made good friends), you ended up in one of those dangerous places where the good (and lucrative) pve was: In a pirate gang that made isk via piracy and lvl 5s, in npc null where you could do pirate lvl 4s, or in sov null where you could make a 'better than high sec, sometimes MUCH better' living off of belts, wild anomalies and signature (DED and unrated) plexes.

It made sense, you risked more, then learned more, and got more.

Now it's completely F'd up unless your path leads you to a 'big' wormhole group. The experienced players aren't out competing with each other over far flung DED 10/10s, the "1%" of PVE is flying stealth bombers in FW and laughing at a 50 mil loss after days of making above 250 mil an hour, or flying 5 bil incursion bling boats and not having to worry about a bad "RNG" day in null or low sec exploration.

If CCP never thinks it's a problem, it's cool, I have my hooks in several different forms of lucrative PVE. But the current imbalances don't make for the best game play, and being able to make so much isk in safety (or with the ability to do so with ships so cheap you don't mind the loss) denies the game the kind of emergent gameplay opportunities than made eve special.

like the time in 2009 when my friend got tackled in a 10/10, which led to us trying to save him, which led to RA blobbing us, which turned onto a freaky Cap fight on the 10/10s gate and a sub cap fight inside the 10/10, which resulted in the death of a Russian Titan which was a special thing then... and we STILL got the plex loot.

In sites it is not risky, unless you get red-boxed and your logi is not on their game; you just lost billions in a ship fit. I have also seen plenty of bling ships ganked while moving from one incursion area to another.

I'm pretty sure that is how IDLE got sov at some point, grabbed a few systems that were easy to get to, but "worthless" so no one else was there. As soon as dominion sov hit (I think that was it?) and every system could be used for anom farming we got kicked out. Sounds like they scaled back anom farming a bit, but I haven't really been in null since. And anom farming is the last thing that would make me want to move out to null right now. I'll admit I like being able to do stuff in highsec, but I think most of that is due to my limited and sporadic play time, otherwise I think I'd probably go join a WH corp, or maybe go back to being a pirate. Either way Null just doesn't seem too interesting. I really hope something in fozzie sov changes that, as the whole player run empires was one of the things that really had me interested in Eve in the first place.

So you are one of the "you cannot deal with one cloaky camper" types, well talking to you is a utter waste of time, it depends who the cloaky camper is and what they can drop on you, I have dealt with cloaky campers numerous times I also got cloaky camped by one of the elite alliances which is very different to some scrub trying to extort, but people base their response on the single scrub in a SB, that is easy to deal with and I have killed a fair few of those.

So you think it should be hisec - lowsec - BPC null and then sov null, rubbish...

Yes they do, they know that the concept is to get the little man into 0.0 to grab a piece of space to call their own, and they want to block that, at best what they want to do is force people to operate in 0.0 so they can get easy kills aka a cloaky camper, some of us refuse to play that game of being farmed for some ones epeen.

And to say that a null sec system is worth less than an average hisec system is utterly absurd.

You really are trying so hard, 20,000 supers at that point of the game, I think not..., second thing is the Tech imbalance set you guys up so well that you went from having hardly any Supers and Titans to having the most in the game. You can pretend that the Tech imbalance had no impact, but that set you guys up to make that transition.

A full fleet is 250 dreads, well yes...

2-6 weeks seems a very unlikely stretch, though a couple of relevant quotes from the Incursions devblog for Hyperion:


In relation to the re-spawn, scout and NCN wall adjustments:



and, in relation to the nullsec adjustments:



Based on no changes since Hyperion, the conclusion is probably that CCP are happy with the effect the changes have had.

I find it hard to believe that there has been any change in nullsec incusions, but I don't have any data to support that. If that is the case, then it could also be that CCP haven't looked at the effect of the adjustments yet and changes could come when they do.

So you've been mitigating the risk and doing well. That's good, that means you're doing it right and putting the effort in, it doesn't mean the risk isn't there. Albeit, I believe exploration needs a substantial boost to it's risk factor, but that's a moot point for the moment. You just answered your own question by describing exactly how players create their own balance and earn their own rewards.

If you read the CSM minutes, the increase in spawn time occurred only because a certain CSM member convinced CCP that a 24 hour spawn time was disadvantaging certain time zones. Perhaps a more thoughtful CSM should have suggested 18 hours or 36 hours as a more appropriate way to stagger the spawn times throughout the day, but what it shows is that you shouldn't let anyone tell you that voting for a CSM member to buff your personal playstyle at the expense of the greater game isn't a useful strategy.

If you read further back in the minutes you can see that CCP was genuinely concerned at the sharp drop off in numbers when they first nerfed incursion hard back in 2012 so they reversed most of those changes. I am sure they are a little gun shy now at messing with incursions, but they really have a tough balancing act if they want CCP Seagull's vision of a player-driven game, or FozzieSov to work. There has to be a reason for people, especially the "Professional" types who are comfortable at going anywhere, but who are currently farming their ISK from the ultra-safe highsec incursions, to go elsewhere. Right now there isn't a reason for the player who is making their choices primarily on where the ISK is to do anything other than highsec incursions.

CCP Quant made it clear they know exactly how players are using their multiple characters and how many nullsec/wormhole players are farming highsec incursions. CCP will act if those players don't move back into this new space and tone back incursions income, or they won't and we will continue the slide into general stagnation and boredom. Or perhaps they will pull a rabbit out of the hat and do something crazy like drop this new AI into incursion rats and completely shake things up by making incursions risky again.

In any case it will be interesting to watch what happens next because this game is being shaken up, and incursions are not likely to survive in their current form.

And all of them idiots.

We have scammed literally tens of thousands with our recruitment over the last few years, so using your logic giving me 500 mil to join bat country and all your ships to transport out to us is a great idea.