Player Features and Ideas Discussion

oh thats right mybad u guys dont fight targets who make up for a threat and only fight eazy free kills

So, what about bumpers and gankers in NPC corps? They don't care about taxes or structure limitations. They are alts who do not run missions, mine, produce, market or do anything that would affect them. They have absolutely no drawbacks for their stay in safety.

those gankers with negative sec status upon killed by concord (podded) they get shipped to low/nullsec npc null with no posability to get back to highsec unless sec status fixed

well if those gankers rly want to coninue ganking they just buy the lost sec status up again but atleast its another isk sink

They don't suit their narrative. Same as scanners, warp in dummies and loot scoopers. Any "clever use of game mechanics" to their advantage is applauded and people derided for not reading x,y or z blog. Any amusing use of game mechanics to avoid their plans is "exploiting" or other such nonsense. Any notion of using a non shooting based form of PvP is ignored, oft in the same breath complaining that people are "PvPing" them via the very same means. Typically there is no consequence proposed when the aggressing corp refuses to undock either. Basically there's not even the faintest hint that actually the tool might be inappropriate for their aims, that maybe a hammer is a bad tool to polish with. No concept of balance is in play at all.

So then, a lot of the time you're not really dealing with rational, reasonable people. People do just get their panties in the most hilarious bunch that people don't just undock to die to them. It's highly entertaining.

I mean, think about it, sticks only work when there is no other option. There are many other options than eve out there, people would take them.

See the thing about war is all the flaws currently cut both ways and so, albeit imperfect, it is broadly balanced. I've not seen a proposal yet that improves the war meta, whilst retaining balance.

By the way, please also keep in mind that there are many people who are not interested in too much social interaction. I am perfectly happy in my 1-man corp, where I enjoy freedom, prosperity and the life how I want to live it. For social interaction, I attend various public channels. My goal is to live my uneventful daily life in EVE with some spice here and there.

I doubt you ever can. The people I mentioned are in NPC corps because of a) "invisibility", b) the appearance of being "carebear" and c) ths trivial ability to biomass them once they have been rumbled (which is legal because you're not doing it to avoid in game penalties, so much as limit players being able to prelock the loot scooper as you never know who it is for long. Ditto the scanning alts, you eventually work out who they belong to so they are removed).



I get that, it's a very difficult thing to do. The efforts are better than many but do still have some issues which have already been discussed in a pretty damned good way for a thread like this




A possibility, but limited by people being able to flip corps to redec. Real merc outfits would be less likely to do this, but everyone else could and likely would.



Something that hasn't been well covered is why people don't fight, at least beyond because they're cowards/bad/omg why won't they undock to die.

So I'll tell you the reason I won't fight and you may judge for yourself:
As oft repeated if you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it wrong. The thing about highsec is, threat assessment is typically impossible. Local is jammed with people, contrast with my usual area of space where you KNOW the field and the threat clearly. Map stats show groupings liable to be hugging titans, an interceptor can scout the immediate gates. This is impossible in high sec. Too many people, alts are not a known quantity. Boosters are infinitely harder to shut down for the same reason.

That alone is a huge incentive to be wary/suspicious/decline the engagement. To me, that is just common sense, it is the same reason one jumps a scout before the main fleet out of highsec.

Compounding this, is the massive strength of logistic chains. Yes, absolutely they'll go flashy yellow, but because a)shooting flashy yellow in high sec is typically a trap, people are conditioned against it and b) the level of DPS/disruption required to break said chain is absolutely massive. If you have that presence in local, you'll not see the wartarget. Having that level of DPS in a neutral corp isn't practical for normal day to day running of a regular corp. Logistics are a PITA that way.

There are, of course ways around this - having your own massive supply of neutral RR, undocking an epic alpha blob, keeping lots of people logged off in reserve to undock in curses/falcons to mess with a logi chain. But really, faced with that and all that manpower required and effort to be realistic, the only smart play is to not play [in high sec].

Of course, not all wardecs have this behind them, but I tend to find I live a LOT longer if I assume the enemy is at least as competent and devious as I am.

For me, shooting a wartarget is little different to shooting a known baitship for hotdroppers. Just ignore it and it'll go away. Assuming the enemy are incompetent and shooting anyway is a fast way to get killed.

I suppose people might paint me a coward or a "carebear" and that is their prerogative - I'd gladly take the fights out of high sec, but since not a single war target has come to visit....we've not had the opportunity. Indeed that's pretty much standard for the entire corp - don't fight WT in high sec it just encourages the inconvenience, however if they come visiting then bury them. We simply refuse to fight on their terms and they refuse to fight on ours so it lapses after a week.

Not unless there's some way to get ticks of LP or bounties from bumping things, no.

They do not generate income, they are completely neutral in that regard. Anything they manage to obtain is an entirely meta activity, and not relevant to the subject of income mechanics, or wardecs, in any way.




Of course you do, that's your smokescreen to derail this thread.




No, but that's what the killright and sec tags systems are for.



The reality is nothing of the sort, and you'd know that if you bothered to take a look around and get a clue. Heck, there was a thread on the front page of C&P the other day to that effect.

Loyalty points don't generate income, by the way. Isk sink, in fact.

They do generate income, by definition, just as mining does. They do not generate isk, the two are different things.