EVE General Discussion

By now I'm starting to think the reason as seen by CCP is "because you want to".

Also ccp just buffed nullsec ore prices to reward players there for higher risk taking and to incentivise hisec players to leave to go to null.

Mario you are probably bill gates rich from incursions, does it really matter to you if they take 1/4 of that isk away from you? Youd still have the several trillions of isk you made and will still EASILY be able to continue to earn enough isk to plex your account with incursions after the nerf.

Do you really need to make 20bill a month risk free in hisec? Aint like 10-15bill enough?

Who paid the PLEX does not matter. Economy class would make YOU understand CCP don't give a damn about who paid that 20$ as long as they get it. The important metric for them is how many account are active be it paid directly or through PLEX.

To me, all you just said is "Since 2008, risk/reward has not been supported by the devs".

That's what I talk about when I say 'false choices'. It's like someone saying "hey dude, you can stay here in Beverly Hills, do very little and make a milliion bucks a week, or you can choose to leave here and move to the nearest ghetto slum and maybe make minimum wage flipping burgers at a fast food restaurant, and by the way that restaurant gets robbed at least once a week, so good luck".

WTF kind of choice is that lol?

Or you think they do...

It's funny because while a DEV said incursion might be paying too much, one also said NS was makign enough ISK.

One of them is still working for CCP.

Google econ opportunity cost.

You are actually LOSING CCP MONEY

If you couldnt plex your account by incursions, youd have to give ccp 15$ per month from your wallet. You dont have to, hense they lose the opportunity of you paying 15$ and must allow you to play their game for free forever cuz you want to make 20bill a month risk free in hisec

The game is already full of stupid stuff where an alt to make X is the best way to do something. Why are you surprised about it being like that about income? Do you really expect them to fix this?

The group that hold SOV have so many hours sunk into it they won't leave because NS income is too low compared to HS. They will suck it up and create alts. Like for various other things in the game that will also not get changed until it cause something large enough to push them into changing it.

You want it to change, strap yourself in and get ready to rock the boat enough but be warned, CCP does not give you what you want but what it think you need/deserve.

Now go and run incursions with the people that agree with you that it has to be nerfed enough for it to actually cause something bad in the game. Prove it to CCP how bad the thing is. You have all the tools. You already know how to run the sites and according to yourself, you can't lose money while doing it.

What are you waiting for? The change is just a couple of Kundulini away!!!

I still feel as if people are shouting fire when there is no fire just to simply incite a riot.

On my older account, within a couple months' time of doing a little bit of everything, except null sec, I was able to accumulate enough wealth to purchase a titan BPO. I never did even though my corp was expanding at the time because I knew my corp mates and I knew myself. Too much trouble for the effort. Eventually everyone parted ways, including myself, but before doing so, I purchased the most expensive clothing there was at the time, purchased a dread-naught (just in case if I ever needed it, it still collects dust), pimped out all my favorite ships to multi-billion dollar status, purchased a large POS while maintaining it, purchased almost all the bpos for subcap ships and the modules they typically use, and I basically purchased enough plex to keep my account subbed for a decade.

It has always been easy to make isk in this game. Back when battleships were rare, they were still easy to come by if you knew what you were doing. Doesn't just involve situational awareness. It involves capitalizing on opportunity when you see it and making safe bets. No amount of incentive would have made me move to null sec because at the end of the day, I was playing the markets of this game. Not the pvp aspect. I did pvp, when it was needed, but I never did it just to do it. Shoot, one time I had someone invade one of my missions back was still learning the game. They were stealing from my wrecks to bait me. So I came back in a hurricane and I blew up their destroyer and their pod. My pvp cane was fit with mods in it that when summed up were in the hundred of millions. The would be ganker, now in a medical station impractically far away from me to do anything about what I just did to him was going on and on about how I'm such a carebear and the fourth for sacrificing a battle cruiser to pop their destroyer and pod.

Well, I got curious and started looking up the prices of his implants, ship modules, etc. I may have lost 1/2 a bil to concord through my ship, but they lost (at then current prices) 4+ billion isk in some hardcore implants. His destroyer was only worth millions. When I looked at his kill board, he had all these kills on helpless non-pvp fit ships. He had lost one ship ever. I made him lose his second ship and his pod. Yea, it was overkill, but I'm not going to engage a fight I know I'm bound to lose. The best part about all of this? His alt/friend was way to slow to save him. His alt/friend tried probing me down for the 15 minute timer, but pods warp instantly, so they never caught me.

Null sec would have made all my fun I had in this game impossible because of lurking enemies, fleet doctrines, etc. You name it. I don't believe in "something bigger than me" because nothing is bigger than me. At the end of the day living in null sec must suck unless you're one of the few individuals who can control everything in their alliance. After all, there is precedence for backstabbing by people you should have been able to trust.

Incursions may generate a lot of isk for high sec. I honestly wouldn't know because the only incursions I did were the little baby ones in my tech 3 solo. I didn't like how they were setup and I didn't like the drama and nose browning the incursion community seemed to have. So I simply didn't involve myself with it. I was never a fan of having to depend on others unless they did specifically what I told them. In MMORPGs like this one, people just never listen and or perform to the best of their capabilities. Not always true, but that's a super minority of people versus the grand majority of incompetent players and if you weren't there to form the old boys clubs from the beginning, you sure as hell won't be able to join unless a spot opens up. But people are emotionally driven and will fill the void with incompetent players that emotionally satisfy the group instead of getting someone who is solid.

Instead of nerfing high-sec incursion income outright, which is always a very poor way to balance things, you could have incursions depend on another variable.

For example:

Sansha anomalies could spawn all over new eden at random and are soft capped. If enough Sansha anomalies spawn within a given region it could escalate into a full blow incursion. Obviously the True Sansha rare spawns and escalations from these things should have to have their rates significantly lowered to help maintain the current market values of modules one can obtain. The soft cap on these things popping up should equal up to the maximum amount of high sec incursions that spawn now on any given day.

Now for the kicker. Let's say critical mass is 100 anoms (for simplicity's sake) in a given region. Better is a high range set of numbers. In high sec, you have explorers, mission runners, and anyone else who isn't so lazy to hit alt+p doing them. If the number of anoms never reached critical mass in a given region, obviously there wouldn't be an incursion. This can be exploited by simply not doing the anomalies, but they would pop up randomly throughout all regions at random times. In high sec, there is way too much competition for there to be as many incursions as there are now. Thus the overall isk handed out via incursions would go down substantially while making it a very real possibility for an incursion to happen in regions alliances may own out in null sec by basically mandating that sansha anoms be avoided to escalate the region into an incursion. Null sec should obviously have higher payouts because of the added risk of gankers as well, but the competition in high sec would make an incursion rare. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if dedicated explorers navigate towards regions in where there was a recent high sec incursion because that would imply there was a critical mass of sansha anoms.

Hell, maybe the incursion runners might get together and start deccing people who do the anoms

That last line kind of makes no sense...