EVE General Discussion

losing ships to NPCs is not risk, it is incompetence

As long as the EVE player base consider stacking the odds in their advantage to be the sign of not messing up, PvP loss are also incompetence...

It was a neat idea that never worked. CCP never really made anything for it so you could almost say it's not a DEV supported idea.

Losing a ships in PVP isn't risk it is incompetence. Every loss in this game is preventable, so anyone with a loss on their KB is just incompetent right?

Risk/Reward is an immeasurable metric, it varies wildly person to person and has no concrete floor or ceiling, as such it can not be used a balancing metric, which is why it has never been used as one.

Balance on income is done to facilitate a healthy growing economy, without making isk itself entirely worthless vs PLEX (this is to preserve CCPs income stream). Incursions themselves are a capped income source, you can not do any more incursions than exist at one time, they are on a scheduled timer so only certain numbers of them can be active. Thus it is balanced, and CCP noting that incursion income on the whole was less than other sources just lowered the respawn time of these events 6 months ago, meaning CCP does not see an issue with Incursions generating isk in a way that impacts the ISK/PLEX ratio negatively.

Now. If the argument in this thread was "Increase the frequency of regional NS incursions" that would be something I imagine many people would support. The nice thing about HS is its compact, central, and quick to go from one side to the other. Unfortunately NS does not share this, It takes a long time to move through the whole of NS, which makes NS incursion running much more sporadic than that of HS. This in and of itself has nothing to do with HS, and everything to do with the layout of EVE and the fact NS is just spread out more.

As I said earlier instead of complaining about HS, ask CCP to make NS incursion running more efficient, and less sporadic. Ask them to focus on making more frequent incursions in any given region as to facilitate similar travel distance/time as it is in HS. This is ultimately the only difference between the two, and a NS incursion fleet will be just as hard to gank as a HS incursion fleet, and net the same rewards.

The issue is with NS, not HS, so ask CCP to fix the issue mechanically, and not leaning on some crutch buzz phrase, that has never been used to balance anything in the game.

Actually, after writing that long post I realise that ...
... there's only one thing to say about this line.


lol.

People follow the path of least resistance for success. There isn't anything wrong with making isk in mission-like saftey, because the things they want to spend that isk on are generated by activities in low/null/wh and cannot be generated in hi sec. It's not like hi sec incursions drop sleeper salvage, deadspace loot or Arkonor/Bisot or moon goo or anything else you actually need to create the vast quantities of ships/mods/rigs/ammo consumed by the EVE populace at large.

Which is irrelevant because nothing in this game has ever been balanced through this crutch you call risk/reward. It has always been balanced relative to ones ability to live and operate in that region.

HS gets the monopoly on PVE.
NS gets the monopoly on PVP.

Different gameplay metrics, represented distinctly in different gameplay regions.

NS can comfortably afford to live/thrive in its environment, HS can comfortably afford to live/thrive in its.

HS requires much more isk investment for PVP, wardecs, ganking. NS does not need these things, as such people living in HS require more ISK just so they can functionally PVP. NS requires less isk because they do not have to pay to PVP. NS has more opportunity to PVP while making less isk, thus HS is required to pay to PVP because they make more ISK.

Yosemite?

Removed a rule-breaking post and those quoting it.

A) This was changed because most people live in HS, and CCP is catering to its largest subscriber base. As they should since they are a business, and businesses exist to generate profits.
B) This is some figment of your imagination. The only benefit of living in NS is to PVP without consequence. That is it. Or I guess wrap yourself up in ~narrative~ and build sandcastles.
C) NS is abandoned because Coalition gameplay made it so space is unlivable by small groups, Phoebe broke this mold somewhat, Fozziesov will shatter it.
D) No one forced you to pay that isk you chose to. NS doesn't just include Sov. You chose to build and empire, you chose to pay for its defense. You could have just as easily pulled an NC. and vacated your holdings instead of dumping ISK into them.

Long story short. Your complaint is entirely baseless. 2 different regions of space that specialize in 2 different aspects of the game. One is a PVE playground, the other is a PVP playground, what you choose to do in either ends of the pool is entirely up to you and no one else. CCP has given everyone the tools they need to live and thrive in all areas, and have continually rebalanced areas that are lacking (NS industry, NS ores, HS Incursion Buffs) CCP gives us the tools, how you use them is up to you.

I feel I can answer that, because we can, we know it will be rolled over but the fun is to plant your flag and get fights, the trick is not to go too deep with assets until you have in place a coalition of people that can actually put up a fight against something bigger, then its a question of see where it takes you. The big power blocks hate the idea that people could fund this sort of thing by doing Incursions which they cannot really interdict without serious effort, hell even identifying the correct target is difficult. Previously when the Goons wanted to kill someone you would just see a load of Goons camp the hell out of that alliances space to weaken and demoralise the grunts including hisec war decs, and then when ready in came the main attack. Kaboom fail cascade... Its a strategic agenda to control the ISK, Incursions and level 4's are what the people who want to do this use to make ISK, so they want them nerfed so they cannot be threatened...