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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#301 - 2015-04-28 12:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


And here is the reason, they hate it that people can have fun in making themselves space rich and they cannot get at them without effort, its all about frustration...


Try reading what people say before responding, I said nothing of the sort.


Yes you did, its there in your post, you want them nerfed because they are not in low sec or 0.0 because they can use their bling ships in a lower risk environment and you have to work to kill them and the result is not certain, so you don't try.

I read all your posts and that is what you are saying, you even said the Goons had tried to hit them and found them not profitable enough and too risky.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#302 - 2015-04-28 12:05:50 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions


List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#303 - 2015-04-28 12:06:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Because those figures are wrong and another poster already proved just how few people can efficiently run incursions.


Nobody has posted any facts here to back up your argument. Average income from anoms is 60 mil/hr, incursion income of 120 mil/hr is not unrealistic.
Dracvlad wrote:

But why are you getting so uptight, soon you will have the new structures that will enable you to have mission agants in null sec, that's great news for you guys isn't it?


We have no details yet on this system.


Your figures are totally wrong, you are understating the anoms by a major amount, why do you keep lying all the time?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#304 - 2015-04-28 12:08:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions


List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.


Its pretty obvious how to go about it, read the thread there are quite a few details in it, then just extrapolate from that...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Solecist Project
#305 - 2015-04-28 12:08:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions


List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.

Every single one who has been called out on it was
unable to bring up anything BUT smoke and bullshit ...
... mostly because they have no clue of the matter anyway.

Anyhow... all you people only ever thinking about isk.
That's so shortsighted, it's incredible.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#306 - 2015-04-28 12:09:42 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions


List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.


Its pretty obvious how to go about it, read the thread there are quite a few details in it, then just extrapolate from that...


So you have none, and you were lying.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#307 - 2015-04-28 12:10:41 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Your figures are totally wrong, you are understating the anoms by a major amount, why do you keep lying all the time?


You dont leave highsec and have never run anoms in dek. Yet you are calling the people who have figured out how to squeeze the most isk out of every activity a liar?
Kamala
Doomheim
#308 - 2015-04-28 12:10:52 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Those who understand how it works.


What's fun is individual and subjective, it's not for you or others to define what's fun or how to play in a sandbox.

Solecist Project wrote:
You probably don't know ...
... but marketing isn't about selling you something ...
... it's about making you want something.

Companies don't sell you things ...
... they make you feel inadequate when you don't have them.

That's good marketing.

Some try to sell you "lifestyle" or "good feelings".
They make you believe that you miss out on something.
See also: Coca Cola.

Then there are those who want to sell you the idea of importance.
They make you believe that you are someone by owning something.
See also: Apple, Ikea, Car manufacturers, many others.


Pointless condescending off-topic waffle.

Solecist Project wrote:
or buying crap you don't actually need for your life, in the end it's nothing more but compensation.
Amassing wealth from greed is nothing else than the desire to be better than others ... see "feeling inadequate".


Usually people reject this instead of simply educating themselves about ...
... well ... themselves.


You're projecting again.

Solecist Project wrote:
I could write a few pages about this.


Please no.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#309 - 2015-04-28 12:12:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Because those figures are wrong and another poster already proved just how few people can efficiently run incursions.


Nobody has posted any facts here to back up your argument. Average income from anoms is 60 mil/hr, incursion income of 120 mil/hr is not unrealistic.
Dracvlad wrote:

But why are you getting so uptight, soon you will have the new structures that will enable you to have mission agants in null sec, that's great news for you guys isn't it?


We have no details yet on this system.


Your figures are totally wrong, you are understating the anoms by a major amount, why do you keep lying all the time?


not really an ishtar in null will get around 20mil a tick give or take, 1 tick = 20mins, x 3 = 60mil an hour, with a carrier you can get to around 30+mil an hour = thats 90mil an hour for risking 2.5bil worth of slow a$$ carrier, which get lost quite often in null

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Blizzaro
Vahalla La
Rainbow Knights
#310 - 2015-04-28 12:13:11 UTC
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

CCP Please remove capital escalations
CCP Please remove nullsec afk ratting
CCP Please remove null anoms


CCP Please remove this wonderful content that has created a great number of public communitys as well as ganks and drama.

Its only easy because we know how to do it, it has taken years of trial and error to get to where we are now.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#311 - 2015-04-28 12:14:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Your figures are totally wrong, you are understating the anoms by a major amount, why do you keep lying all the time?


You dont leave highsec and have never run anoms in dek. Yet you are calling the people who have figured out how to squeeze the most isk out of every activity a liar?



I have run anoms in 0.0 and got a lot more than 60m an hours, if that is squeezing the most ISK out of that activity then you are either a fool or a liar, I was doing 110m an hour in Cobalt Edge and that ignored the selling on of escalations...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Blizzaro
Vahalla La
Rainbow Knights
#312 - 2015-04-28 12:14:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions


List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.


Anyone who has done them can come up with creative ways of disrupting them sadly you just want to be fleet warped and hit f1 for a killmail so I am not sure your brain could understand the mechanics involved.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#313 - 2015-04-28 12:15:54 UTC
Blizzaro wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If anyone takes the time to think it through there are multiple ways to interfere with Incursions


List some, liar, or admit that you're blowing smoke.


Anyone who has done them can come up with creative ways of disrupting them sadly you just want to be fleet warped and hit f1 for a killmail so I am not sure your brain could understand the mechanics involved.


List some.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#314 - 2015-04-28 12:16:44 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Because those figures are wrong and another poster already proved just how few people can efficiently run incursions.


Nobody has posted any facts here to back up your argument. Average income from anoms is 60 mil/hr, incursion income of 120 mil/hr is not unrealistic.
Dracvlad wrote:

But why are you getting so uptight, soon you will have the new structures that will enable you to have mission agants in null sec, that's great news for you guys isn't it?


We have no details yet on this system.


Your figures are totally wrong, you are understating the anoms by a major amount, why do you keep lying all the time?


not really an ishtar in null will get around 20mil a tick give or take, 1 tick = 20mins, x 3 = 60mil an hour, with a carrier you can get to around 30+mil an hour = thats 90mil an hour for risking 2.5bil worth of slow a$$ carrier, which get lost quite often in null


I never lost a carrier..., its all a question of risk management!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#315 - 2015-04-28 12:18:27 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Your figures are totally wrong, you are understating the anoms by a major amount, why do you keep lying all the time?


You dont leave highsec and have never run anoms in dek. Yet you are calling the people who have figured out how to squeeze the most isk out of every activity a liar?



I have run anoms in 0.0 and got a lot more than 60m an hours, if that is squeezing the most ISK out of that activity then you are either a fool or a liar, I was doing 110m an hour in Cobalt Edge and that ignored the selling on of escalations...


so there you have it null escalations vs highsec safety incursions = same isk/hour, clearly not balanced huh, what were you using to make 110mil an hour?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Solecist Project
#316 - 2015-04-28 12:20:30 UTC


Weaklings. (:

List some, if you are so sure.
We'll pick them apart, one by one,
because you people just talk out of your inexperienced asses anyway. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#317 - 2015-04-28 12:20:45 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I have run anoms in 0.0 and got a lot more than 60m an hours, if that is squeezing the most ISK out of that activity then you are either a fool or a liar, I was doing 110m an hour in Cobalt Edge and that ignored the selling on of escalations...


No you weren't.

Provide the ship and fit please.
Solecist Project
#318 - 2015-04-28 12:22:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I have run anoms in 0.0 and got a lot more than 60m an hours, if that is squeezing the most ISK out of that activity then you are either a fool or a liar, I was doing 110m an hour in Cobalt Edge and that ignored the selling on of escalations...


No you weren't.

Provide the ship and fit please.

Btw technically he's right about saying he never lost a carrier.
When you have none, you can't lose one.


Anyhow I suggest that you stop eating the hatebait.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Melenos
DarkSpawn.
#319 - 2015-04-28 12:23:07 UTC

I make a lot more with explo. Nef explo plz.

Regarding incursions:
The isk/hour isn't that great., Also you loose one shiny ship to the ocasional sucide ganks and you're prett much lost a months income. So, not that troublesome.

Also, i feel like most of the time the people that complaining are those oh-so-hardcore 1-jump-in-lowsec self-declared pirates who simply want more easy gank targets. But guys, the isk you destroy need to be generated somehow, so let the carebears be carebears.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#320 - 2015-04-28 12:23:26 UTC
To be honest, make Incursion more an evolving story line, rather than semi-random spawn events that have no reall storyline within eve.

Like the ever evolving storyline of the human players and empirical bloc's around 0.0, empire should actually have dynamic, unpredicatble conflicts that evolve over time. Not these random things.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"