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Ore & mineral changes not well thought out

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Siigari Kitawa
Operation Sleepless
#1 - 2015-04-26 21:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Siigari Kitawa
A lot of people have been screaming apparently about how Mexallon is this impossible to get material. This is not a rant, it is intended as a constructive discussion into how this actually injures lowsec and less-than-average truesec nullsec.

To start Mexallon is already in Arkonor. 1278 per rock. Yeah, its yield isn't super high. So why was this a complaint to begin with? But living in Gallente space, Mexallon, in tandem with Megacyte is now going to be difficult to obtain to find without a truesec that yields Arkonor rocks on a regular basis.

Yes, I'm talking about belt mining. Let's examine this little chart here I threw together that shows the new mineral distribution for ores: http://i.imgur.com/nk2FVIw.png

To show contrast, here's me after mining solo for a couple days: http://i.imgur.com/qQkAOMO.png

Note the extremely low values of Isogen, Megacyte and Mexallon. Now look back to the first chart posted. Isogen may very well be fixed via Dark Ochre. Megacyte is going to be a struggle, but possible (Bistot) and Mexallon is non-existent.

I took the minerals required to build a Covetor and doubled the Zydrine and Megacyte consumption (as CCP stated they'd be doing.) I think the Covetor is sort of a gold standard for mineral distribution, anyway, so it makes a good shakedown for this discussion.

http://i.imgur.com/0nE5Riz.png

After Tritanium and Pyerite we're looking at a generous need for Isogen and Mexallon. The problem is that Mexallon (which was what this whole rebalance was intended to fix) is very difficult to source, requiring us to hit Jaspet. Jaspet? Come on, CCP. If we're 8:1 on Jaspet, yes we will yield 2800 Mexallon but that pushes our already high yields of Nocx and Zydrine over the top. So then we're realistically bottoming out on Pyerite which requires us to mine a large volume of Bistot. Add 3-4 Megacyte to Jaspet and I think I'd be happy mining Jaspet all day long. Hemorphite was king for so long because of its catch-all qualities, and now no ore will shine. But even with these changes you could knock the Nocxium down a bit in Jaspet and add a smidgen of Megacyte and then I'd say we're looking at fairly balanced ore compositions.

This shows changes that are being made, and in my opinion these changes actually contort the perceived value of mining: to be able to produce and manufacture goods. In Gallente space we do not have access to Spod or Gneiss, but all the Mexallon has been shifted into these two lower-end ores. Arkonor is extremely unwieldy, and its m3 to reprocessing value is low. Despite that, it still yields Mexallon, but only in truesec that as I understand is -0.7 or better.

So. CCP, where is the Mexallon for people with truesec of -0.6 or higher in Gallente space? Jaspet? LOL. Sure, the ratio of Jaspet is high at 8:1 but having to chump mine a rock like Jaspet in nullsec tells me that there was some misrepresentation in the ore changes. As a matter of fact to take it one step further, Caldari space will now struggle with Megacyte, being due to the lack of Arkonor rocks in Caldari space.


So why is this being changed?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2015-04-26 21:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Reopening a closed thread, not a great idea.

There's an official feedback thread in Features & Ideas Discussion.

Aside from that, the devblog is quite clear, the aim is to increase self-sufficiency but not create complete independence from other parts of space. So to get those ores, you'll need to work/purchase across mutiple areas and/or mine anomolies.
Siigari Kitawa
Operation Sleepless
#3 - 2015-04-26 22:04:23 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Reopening a closed thread, not a great idea.

There's an official feedback thread in Features & Ideas Discussion.

Aside from that, the devblog is quite clear, the aim is to increase self-sufficiency but not create complete independence from other parts of space. So to get those ores, you'll need to work/purchase across mutiple areas and/or mine anomolies.

The thing is, that thread over in Features & Ideas Discussion was actually a discussion thread, but all that happened were people shared opinions and CCP did nothing. The proposed changes went to patch.

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-26 22:07:58 UTC
Increase independence =/= complete independence. It's a step forward not a leap.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2015-04-26 22:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Siigari Kitawa wrote:
The thing is, that thread over in Features & Ideas Discussion was actually a discussion thread, but all that happened were people shared opinions and CCP did nothing. The proposed changes went to patch.

That's possibly because many of the posts in that thread didn't raise anything of real value, but like many replies, focused solely on what people individually thought would benefit or hurt their own play, rather than what CCP had as the aim of the changes.

Just the same as this reposted thread. It's totally about your view that CCP haven't thought this through because it doesn't benefit you.

I don't think CCP really thought to design a system based around what was going to be good for you, but that doesn't mean they haven't thought it through.

They clearly have a different view about what the game should look like.
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#6 - 2015-04-26 22:46:45 UTC
In before lock anyone? There is literally a thread over this already. Your voice has a higher chance of being heard and not bashed if you post it in that thread. CCP, believe it or not, read the threads they make.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2015-04-26 23:01:57 UTC
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