Market Discussions

They are still decreasing?

So we still have tier 3 BS @ 140 mil
Carriers sub 900 mln ISK
Supercarriers @ 21 bn
Cruisers sub 10 mil
Freighters below 900 mil, most certainly.
Titans at 80bn?






Their CPI calculation is irrelevant: they take a Tengu and see a 60% decrease from the price of 1bn - whoah-hey lets put that into the index with an unknown weight attached - presto deflation!

You want to see Eve's CPI metrics, you look at Tech 1 only, which are 80% of the total ships used in New Eden.

All capital ships are Tech 1, except for the JFs.

And do address the point of 28 trillion ISK entering & staying per month. ISK can only be "lost", or destroyed by using NPCs' products or services, everything else is just its healthy breathing through the system.

Like you say, more players taking note of PLEX everyday, on both sides of the market. While a single player may not buy as many PLEX, there's always someone in right behind him saying "last month it wasn't worth my money, but now it is". you also have to account for how many people have a set real money budget and get as much PLEX as they can get for that regardless of how much ISK it turns into.

Yeah, but when you talk about the price dropping you have to talk about a steady price, not a random peak. I could go and buy out an item, quadrupling it's price n the very short term. After a week it's back to normal. We wouldn't then say in a months time that the item had drastically decreased in price since a month ago, since it was never actually at that price, just pushed up temporarily due to an out of the ordinary trading pattern.

To be honest, I think you know the difference :D

If someone was previously buying and selling each PLEX once and instead switched to just buying twice as much, the price would increase but the volume would remain the same, which is what I believe happened that caused the price to shoot up by nearly 100m in under 2 weeks. As the announcement hit, the volumes then spiked as they cashed out at the inflated price.

Sell volume. Any buy orders which had not been updated in time had indeed constituted a fair share of the dump - price at that time averages around 896 mln.

As is ordained by the Almighty - some suckers need to be left holding the bag.

Never under-estimate the madness and delusions of the masses once the final ball gets rolling.

That is irrelevant, as the value is being built into them from the current Trit, Pyerite, Mexallon valuations.

If they were honest, they'd calculate CPI just as they do with Mineral index, because Trit, Pyerite, Mex, Isogen, Nocx, Zyd & Mega are the irreducible necessities in our universe that one needs to merely survive & function.

Has been so, and so it remains.



Yes, they take T1-fit battleships circa 2003 @ 99mil total and compare them to T2-fit battlecruisers, and then say there is no inflation in Eve.

Prices are stable!



Because that's an illiquid commodity, which also happens to constitute only a minuscule fraction of spaceships used.

We're talking about placing a £12,000 bottle in the same basket with standard table wine.



Yes, indeed - do not cherry pick and single out Deadspace loot, and acknowledge that they had been great inflation in the price of ship hulls.



That is the case, and following the Nullsec ore changes later this month, that is also expected and welcomed. Should probably take until the end of the Summer to properly rebalance.

But what of the 28 Trillion ISK per month being injected into the economy?

An increase in money supply is one part of what brings about inflation. You are leaving out the amount of materials that are also being injected into the economy. If there are 28 trillion ISK worth of minerals, moon goo, meta loot and other items entering the game, inflation will be mitigated to a large extent.

So we went from there being no inflation in Eve, to inflation being a non-factor. Fascinating.

That example contained the Armageddon battleship, which cost 60 mil then, and 180 now - a 200% increase, or ((180/60)^(1/12) - 1) * 100 = 9.58% avg yearly inflation.

And around 5.8% for Tier 3 battleships - since 2006.



Yes, they were 50-60 mil for Tier 1 like the Armageddon and 80-100mil for Tier 2 such as the Apocalypse. That is why I didn't include tiericide of either Battleships or Battlecruisers in the initial figure, but that further establishes the point.

The fully-T1 fit 99 mil example is straight from their own presentation - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie9V2P5El0E#t=14m41s





Yes, we can only hope there isn't too much ISK on balance, after accounting for healthy growth, chasing these resources. Faucet:Sink ratio was changed from 2 to 1.66 in early 2013 - can be found in the above presentation at 28:20 timestamp.

This is why I made a remark on Tier 3.

As to the whole grand purpose, I guess if one doesn't see it - there is none.

Carry on as you were.

P.S. For those who haven't seen the 2014 Economic presentation, it is the most current one to my knowledge - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ

Did you even watch your own video?

Go to 7:04 and take a look, see how ALL of the indexes are under 100.

Guess you know what that means?

Trit might have gone up 300% since game start, but I guess you can't guess where Zyd, or Mega or the high ends sans Nox has gone?

Bet you forgot to mention how CCP deliberately changed production requirements for ships in the specific groups you are pointing out.

You seem to also have completely abandoned the idea of Capital ship inflation, I thought that was a staple for your argument.

The fact remains, that everything from Modules, ammo, T2 and T3 goods have all decreased in price. Faction and DED has been decimated. Zyd, Mega, Morph all decimated. The build formulas were changed during Tiericide, and we are still seeing the effects of "Mineraless Mining" where miners simply compress their ores and sell that instead of refining.

You cannot argue with CCP's own numbers, own stats, own graphs and then turn around and point to them for support. You didn't even watch your own video.