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Xenuria: CSM 10

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Xenuria
#401 - 2015-04-17 03:29:03 UTC
Those are you words not mine. I don't agree with that statement either. The status quo is not some grand conspiracy, it's the result of social norms and associated stratification.

Psychology != Conspiracy

I think this is where people get me mixed up. Your speaking in absolutes, I try to avoid absolutes which is why you might see me as evading questions. In reality I simply don't feel comfortable answering something at a level of detail in which I can't be certain of its truth. It's a weakness that I have and I agree that part of me lacking sufficient theory of mind leads to misunderstanding.

CSM 12 Candidate
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2015-04-17 07:59:43 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.



I respectfully disagree, you have on numerous occasions called people trolls simply because they put questions in front of you that you didn't want to answer and this includes me personally. You called me a troll simply because I asked questions about your past history.

And I think your tinfoil is showing with the alliance voting, the alliance puts out a recommended voting ballot, I will agree that a number of people would blindly vote what they're told to but if you think that people don't have a mind for themselves then you have a lower opinion of the community as a whole than I expected.
Xenuria
#403 - 2015-04-17 15:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.



I respectfully disagree, you have on numerous occasions called people trolls simply because they put questions in front of you that you didn't want to answer and this includes me personally. You called me a troll simply because I asked questions about your past history.

And I think your tinfoil is showing with the alliance voting, the alliance puts out a recommended voting ballot, I will agree that a number of people would blindly vote what they're told to but if you think that people don't have a mind for themselves then you have a lower opinion of the community as a whole than I expected.


Assumptions dude... You make alot of them.


argumentum ad ignorantiam

You can't know what goes on inside every single alliance in game, only CCP can know that.
CCP decided it was significant enough to make a flavor item to poke fun of Pre filled CSM ballots.

CSM 12 Candidate
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#404 - 2015-04-17 17:37:09 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.



I respectfully disagree, you have on numerous occasions called people trolls simply because they put questions in front of you that you didn't want to answer and this includes me personally. You called me a troll simply because I asked questions about your past history.

And I think your tinfoil is showing with the alliance voting, the alliance puts out a recommended voting ballot, I will agree that a number of people would blindly vote what they're told to but if you think that people don't have a mind for themselves then you have a lower opinion of the community as a whole than I expected.


Assumptions dude... You make alot of them.


argumentum ad ignorantiam

You can't know what goes on inside every single alliance in game, only CCP can know that.
CCP decided it was significant enough to make a flavor item to poke fun of Pre filled CSM ballots.


Ironic statement is ironic. Your entire platform revolves around assumptions.
Xenuria
#405 - 2015-04-19 03:22:04 UTC
Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made.

CSM 12 Candidate
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#406 - 2015-04-20 13:50:09 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made.


If your platform requires assumptions to be made then you should probably refine it, for example Bam Stroker's platform was to support the community, player meets and the like which requires no assumptions at all, even Tora Bushido's platform of fixing wardecs the only assumption that he's made is that CCP will even care what he has to say on the topic.

You've made claims with little to no evidence in both CSM 10 and CSM 11 (and there's not even an election for CSM 11 coming up) and when called out to provide evidence to support your claims you call people trolls for asking or state that you've already provided the evidence when none exists.

I know I've said this before but when almost the entirety of the people voting for you are doing so as a joke then you should probably take some time OUT of the spotlight to repair your reputation and spend some time actually getting to know the community.
Xenuria
#407 - 2015-04-20 15:07:16 UTC
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made.


If your platform requires assumptions to be made then you should probably refine it, for example Bam Stroker's platform was to support the community, player meets and the like which requires no assumptions at all, even Tora Bushido's platform of fixing wardecs the only assumption that he's made is that CCP will even care what he has to say on the topic.

You've made claims with little to no evidence in both CSM 10 and CSM 11 (and there's not even an election for CSM 11 coming up) and when called out to provide evidence to support your claims you call people trolls for asking or state that you've already provided the evidence when none exists.

I know I've said this before but when almost the entirety of the people voting for you are doing so as a joke then you should probably take some time OUT of the spotlight to repair your reputation and spend some time actually getting to know the community.

my platform isn't perfect and neither is my skill at politics.

That said, my reputation is not what needs repair. I have consistently been vindicated of all accusations and scandals. I am not concerned by the kangaroo courts of internet trolls.

CSM 12 Candidate
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#408 - 2015-04-20 15:33:10 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Well duh... I have never been on the CSM so assumptions have to be made.


If your platform requires assumptions to be made then you should probably refine it, for example Bam Stroker's platform was to support the community, player meets and the like which requires no assumptions at all, even Tora Bushido's platform of fixing wardecs the only assumption that he's made is that CCP will even care what he has to say on the topic.

You've made claims with little to no evidence in both CSM 10 and CSM 11 (and there's not even an election for CSM 11 coming up) and when called out to provide evidence to support your claims you call people trolls for asking or state that you've already provided the evidence when none exists.

I know I've said this before but when almost the entirety of the people voting for you are doing so as a joke then you should probably take some time OUT of the spotlight to repair your reputation and spend some time actually getting to know the community.

my platform isn't perfect and neither is my skill at politics.

That said, my reputation is not what needs repair. I have consistently been vindicated of all accusations and scandals. I am not concerned by the kangaroo courts of internet trolls.

Your reputation IS what needs repair.

Whether you were vindicated or not, when your brought up in conversation, people either have no clue who you are, or they know you as a troll who posts weird ideas on the old forums.

You have little to zero community involvement, and no community relation. That is why you have little chance fo ebing elected as anything but a scapegoat or as a troll to CCP.

If you are serious about CSM, and are serious about helping the playerbase. Then before anything you need to be involved with the forums, and involved with the ingame communities. You have to become an enabler, have people know you for how you have helped them. Be somebody the game would be lesser for if you left. Because right now, if you left no one would notice.

You keep complaining that the voting system is broken because bloc leaders keep getting elected, or if not them their choices. This isnt broken, this is you again have a disconnection with the playerbase. These individuals worked to become leaders and enablers, names that everyone knows as soon as they hear them, there are VERY few people in EVE who have been here 2 months who would need an explanation of who The Mittani, or Chribba, or Shadoo is, because those are well known names who have made possible well known events. This is why they and their supported runners get elected, because between the people who rely on them for leadership, and the people outside their community who generally respect their accomplishments, people want to listen to what they have to say.

As much as I hate the concept of politicians ingame or the real world, they are usually sketchy people at best, it is very much a requirement to be one to approach CSM candidacy, and if you are not prepared to be one, and to operate both ingame and out of game in a manner to improve your relations with the greater community, then you have already lost no matter how early you start your CSM campaign.
Xenuria
#409 - 2015-04-20 17:11:57 UTC
I refuse to accept being sketchy as a requirement for being a space politician. My relations with this community are better now than they ever were. I am empowered by my honesty not weakened by it. If you have been posting in my thread this long and you still don't get it than maybe you should bow out.

CSM 12 Candidate
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#410 - 2015-04-20 19:03:25 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I refuse to accept being sketchy as a requirement for being a space politician. My relations with this community are better now than they ever were. I am empowered by my honesty not weakened by it. If you have been posting in my thread this long and you still don't get it than maybe you should bow out.

If all you got out of that is that most politicians are sketchy, its no wonder people dont elect you.

yes, your reputation is "better" than it used to be, how so? youve gone from being infamous to being unknown. Just having your rep "higher than ever" does not mean its in a good place, you still have minimal involvement with the playerbase and forum community, that is an issue you need to address if you want your new campaign to succeed.
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#411 - 2015-04-20 20:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauresh Thellere
It doesn't matter whether you were vindicated or not, you have a bad repuation in the community and frankly your CSM threads have done more damage than good. Using the phrase kangaroo court doesn't automatically change peoples opinions of you, you need to work at that yourself.

I'm not attacking you nor do I particularly care about incidents in your past but others do and that's what matters. What I see as a concern is the fact that you had your CSM 11 thread up hours after losing CSM 10, you refused to discuss difficult subjects with people in your CSM 10 thread, you have shown a pretty blatant hostility towards the community and you seem to spend minimal time talking to people in EVE getting your name out there and getting a feel for what people want to see in game. The community are who votes for you and who you are there to represent (not to represent your self serving ideas) yet you seem to want to avoid them.

(P.S. calling CCP liars due to not sharing your concern for a design element of the game is probably not a good way to make friends either)
Xenuria
#412 - 2015-04-20 23:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
It doesn't matter whether you were vindicated or not, you have a bad repuation in the community and frankly your CSM threads have done more damage than good. Using the phrase kangaroo court doesn't automatically change peoples opinions of you, you need to work at that yourself.

I'm not attacking you nor do I particularly care about incidents in your past but others do and that's what matters. What I see as a concern is the fact that you had your CSM 11 thread up hours after losing CSM 10, you refused to discuss difficult subjects with people in your CSM 10 thread, you have shown a pretty blatant hostility towards the community and you seem to spend minimal time talking to people in EVE getting your name out there and getting a feel for what people want to see in game. The community are who votes for you and who you are there to represent (not to represent your self serving ideas) yet you seem to want to avoid them.

(P.S. calling CCP liars due to not sharing your concern for a design element of the game is probably not a good way to make friends either)


I appreciate your point of view but I simply don't share it.
You seem to have trouble internalizing that.

I am not running on my reputation, I am running on my values. This does arguably weaken me as a candidate but its also what sets me apart from the mainstream candidates who garner many votes on popularity alone.

Nariya Kentaya wrote:

If all you got out of that is that most politicians are sketchy, its no wonder people dont elect you.

yes, your reputation is "better" than it used to be, how so? youve gone from being infamous to being unknown. Just having your rep "higher than ever" does not mean its in a good place, you still have minimal involvement with the playerbase and forum community, that is an issue you need to address if you want your new campaign to succeed.


Ok, I'll bite.
How do you figure I have a "Minimal involvement" with the playerbase and forum community?

CSM 12 Candidate