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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#381 - 2015-04-09 18:24:55 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Your argument is logical but ultimately based on false information. I am not dishonest, I am brutally honest.
Lie, you refuse to answer questions all the time, or give false information.
Quote:
My ego is not important to the CSM or to CCP. In fact my ego is not even relevant to the discussion. Constantly bringing up "ego" as a retort to my platform says more about you and the caricatures you are perpetuated than it does me or my platform.
Your "platform" is a charicature on its own, so that's not really hard.
Of course your ego is a part of this, what else would your candidacy ever hope to help?
You've failed to answer numerous questions into even the simplest parts of your platform, which is among the reasons why it's not hard to see that you're either a blowhard know-nothing or a fraud, both of which would be easily accounted for by a hurt ego.
Do I need to reiterate the questions or where people asks for sources, or is it enough to say that the questions have been asked? Contrary to you, I can quote specific questions that you have avoided, or rejected, or postulated answered, or simply failings of yours, giant gaps in your knowledge regarding both CSM and elections.

Quote:
I already cited my sources, were are yours?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Oh god, that's rich. After asking for sources for your claims in here several times, you now have the gall to claim you have cited them?
No.

I saw you cite a single source, that of EVE players women make up a specific percentage, and the percentage to my knowledge was true. This is the only thing I've ever seen you citing, and it's a red herring at best.
Besides, I'm not postulating things outside this thread or your earlier candidacies (Such as earlier candidacy videos and threads). What I've done is point out where you don't cite sources, argue against yourself, don't know what you're talking about etc. Likewise did a number of other people, some of whom actually tried to improve your platform at which point you called them trolls as well.
You're glorious entertainment, and the best weapon against your own relevancy.
Xenuria
#382 - 2015-04-09 19:12:25 UTC
I suppose there is no reasoning with you.

CSM 12 Candidate
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#383 - 2015-04-09 20:03:32 UTC
For that to work, you'd have to use reason, true enough.
Harsh requirement, I know, but I'm sure gendler souls like Nariya will teach you if you ask.

Be careful though, if you get smarter you might come to realise that being right takes both humility and effort.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#384 - 2015-04-09 22:12:06 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Your argument is logical but ultimately based on false information. I am not dishonest, I am brutally honest.
Lie, you refuse to answer questions all the time, or give false information.
Quote:
My ego is not important to the CSM or to CCP. In fact my ego is not even relevant to the discussion. Constantly bringing up "ego" as a retort to my platform says more about you and the caricatures you are perpetuated than it does me or my platform.
Your "platform" is a charicature on its own, so that's not really hard.
Of course your ego is a part of this, what else would your candidacy ever hope to help?
You've failed to answer numerous questions into even the simplest parts of your platform, which is among the reasons why it's not hard to see that you're either a blowhard know-nothing or a fraud, both of which would be easily accounted for by a hurt ego.
Do I need to reiterate the questions or where people asks for sources, or is it enough to say that the questions have been asked? Contrary to you, I can quote specific questions that you have avoided, or rejected, or postulated answered, or simply failings of yours, giant gaps in your knowledge regarding both CSM and elections.

Quote:
I already cited my sources, were are yours?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Oh god, that's rich. After asking for sources for your claims in here several times, you now have the gall to claim you have cited them?
No.

I saw you cite a single source, that of EVE players women make up a specific percentage, and the percentage to my knowledge was true. This is the only thing I've ever seen you citing, and it's a red herring at best.
Besides, I'm not postulating things outside this thread or your earlier candidacies (Such as earlier candidacy videos and threads). What I've done is point out where you don't cite sources, argue against yourself, don't know what you're talking about etc. Likewise did a number of other people, some of whom actually tried to improve your platform at which point you called them trolls as well.
You're glorious entertainment, and the best weapon against your own relevancy.

I still have 2-3 kinda important questions that were never answered from the LAST CSM thread Sad
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#385 - 2015-04-15 13:23:37 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
19th out of 75 isn't telling the whole story though.

If you want to see a CSM with him on it, that'd be a 25 person CSM. He doesn't have any support from people who voted for people who were actually elected, gaining a pitiful number of votes from overspill.

I'm seeing him on a council of 23. Compromise?

Anyway, my point is that he has apparently become vastly more electable without having substantially reinvented himself or his approach. I won't speculate beyond that.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#386 - 2015-04-15 16:08:17 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
19th out of 75 isn't telling the whole story though.

If you want to see a CSM with him on it, that'd be a 25 person CSM. He doesn't have any support from people who voted for people who were actually elected, gaining a pitiful number of votes from overspill.

I'm seeing him on a council of 23. Compromise?

Anyway, my point is that he has apparently become vastly more electable without having substantially reinvented himself or his approach. I won't speculate beyond that.

i dont even have to speculate, theres 2 obvious reasons, 1) a lot less desirable candidates running

and 2) (heres the fun one) people want Xenuria elected for the same reason they want the worse of 2 brothers to inherit the british throne, they KNOW it will be terrible with drama, they KNOW there will likely be a scandal by somebody to somebody else because of it, and they are HOPING for it. People want Xenuria elected so they can open up EN24 or TheMittani and see a juicy drama-saturated article about somebody flipping out at somebody else, or somebody violating NDA over a big nono. thats 90% of his votes right there.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#387 - 2015-04-15 16:44:51 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
19th out of 75 isn't telling the whole story though.

If you want to see a CSM with him on it, that'd be a 25 person CSM. He doesn't have any support from people who voted for people who were actually elected, gaining a pitiful number of votes from overspill.

I'm seeing him on a council of 23. Compromise?

Anyway, my point is that he has apparently become vastly more electable without having substantially reinvented himself or his approach. I won't speculate beyond that.



I'll admit, the 25 was an asspull. I knew it was in the low twenties. I wasn't going to go and rerun the process (again) a few times to make sure it was right. Smile

And no need to speculate on why:
There were some alliance pings saying 'vote xenuria first. troll CCP'

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Xenuria
#388 - 2015-04-15 17:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Steve Ronuken wrote:
beakerax wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
19th out of 75 isn't telling the whole story though.

If you want to see a CSM with him on it, that'd be a 25 person CSM. He doesn't have any support from people who voted for people who were actually elected, gaining a pitiful number of votes from overspill.

I'm seeing him on a council of 23. Compromise?

Anyway, my point is that he has apparently become vastly more electable without having substantially reinvented himself or his approach. I won't speculate beyond that.



I'll admit, the 25 was an asspull. I knew it was in the low twenties. I wasn't going to go and rerun the process (again) a few times to make sure it was right. Smile

And no need to speculate on why:
There were some alliance pings saying 'vote xenuria first. troll CCP'


Thank you for your input Steve. I am glad that you still take the CSM seriously.

Also the only people I have seen losing their cool or flipping out over the idea of me being on the CSM are the same people who would not be on the CSM if my proposed term limits passed. Granted Mynnna did claim I was somehow magically stalking him from all the way in NJ. Several people think I am an alt of Lex Arson AND Lynchton, Gorskie thinks I can teleport and Steve; you clearly have convinced yourself I am some sort of "joke" Candidate.

The only people "flipping out" are my detractors. Funny how that works...

CSM 12 Candidate
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#389 - 2015-04-15 19:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
I don't think you consider yourself a joke candidate. I think you believe yourself to be perfectly serious.

/Other/ people consider you a joke candidate

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x79vb/reminder_vote_xenuria_to_punish_ccp_for_its_sins/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x62k8/xenuria_flair/

https://eveskunk.com/e/347750898



(And no, Gorski doesn't think you can teleport. He was mocking you. As you were told repeatedly. And there's no e at the end of his name. )

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Xenuria
#390 - 2015-04-15 21:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I don't think you consider yourself a joke candidate. I think you believe yourself to be perfectly serious.

/Other/ people consider you a joke candidate

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x79vb/reminder_vote_xenuria_to_punish_ccp_for_its_sins/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x62k8/xenuria_flair/

https://eveskunk.com/e/347750898



(And no, Gorski doesn't think you can teleport. He was mocking you. As you were told repeatedly. And there's no e at the end of his name. )


Funny how you can tell somebody something over and over again without them getting it.
For a person who claims to be "allergic to politics" you sure do use alot of influence stratagems (poorly) in effort to attack a perceived foe.

CSM 12 Candidate
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#391 - 2015-04-16 00:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
I don't think you consider yourself a joke candidate. I think you believe yourself to be perfectly serious.

/Other/ people consider you a joke candidate

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x79vb/reminder_vote_xenuria_to_punish_ccp_for_its_sins/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2x62k8/xenuria_flair/

https://eveskunk.com/e/347750898



(And no, Gorski doesn't think you can teleport. He was mocking you. As you were told repeatedly. And there's no e at the end of his name. )


Funny how you can tell somebody something over and over again without them getting it.
For a person who claims to be "allergic to politics" you sure do use alot of influence stratagems (poorly) in effort to attack a perceived foe.

to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)

not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo
Xenuria
#392 - 2015-04-16 05:19:52 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)

not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo



I like the flavor of your post.
I don't see myself as a victim I see myself as a person who has been disenfranchised by the status quo. Your polarizing the argument. It's not Me Vs Them, nothing is ever that simple when people are involved.

It's more this..

I am a person who has views about things.
People who are biased against me do mental gymnastics to rationalize away their dissonance when they find themselves agreeing with me.

I am imperfect just like everybody else in this world, but I am consistent. My "Narrative" if you can call it that has remained unchanged since day 1. You can call it a trope or a theme or even a genre but all that matters is that you can understand the story.
If you can understand a persons narrative than you can parse their intentions without them telling you anything.

tl;dr
I am an honest person in the middle of a Machiavellian space opera.

CSM 12 Candidate
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#393 - 2015-04-16 07:17:16 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)

not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo



I like the flavor of your post.
I don't see myself as a victim I see myself as a person who has been disenfranchised by the status quo. Your polarizing the argument. It's not Me Vs Them, nothing is ever that simple when people are involved.

It's more this..

I am a person who has views about things.
People who are biased against me do mental gymnastics to rationalize away their dissonance when they find themselves agreeing with me.

I am imperfect just like everybody else in this world, but I am consistent. My "Narrative" if you can call it that has remained unchanged since day 1. You can call it a trope or a theme or even a genre but all that matters is that you can understand the story.
If you can understand a persons narrative than you can parse their intentions without them telling you anything.

tl;dr
I am an honest person in the middle of a Machiavellian space opera.

okay, this may SERIOUSLY come across as a little attack-ish, but it IS an honest question

How is what you just described NOT admitting you are a self-inflicted pariah with a messiah complex?
Xenuria
#394 - 2015-04-16 12:48:28 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:

to turn that around, you use alot of victim stratagems to make yourself out as oppressed and virtuous, the sole savior from a status quo refusing to change (aside from all the times theyve voted on change)

not trying to attack you here, honest, just again informing you your responses come in 1 of two varieties, either changing/spinning your arguement to claim opposition secretly agrees with you and should love you, or anyone not agreeing with you is just an alt and a troll enforcing some spectre-like RMT cartel status quo



I like the flavor of your post.
I don't see myself as a victim I see myself as a person who has been disenfranchised by the status quo. Your polarizing the argument. It's not Me Vs Them, nothing is ever that simple when people are involved.

It's more this..

I am a person who has views about things.
People who are biased against me do mental gymnastics to rationalize away their dissonance when they find themselves agreeing with me.

I am imperfect just like everybody else in this world, but I am consistent. My "Narrative" if you can call it that has remained unchanged since day 1. You can call it a trope or a theme or even a genre but all that matters is that you can understand the story.
If you can understand a persons narrative than you can parse their intentions without them telling you anything.

tl;dr
I am an honest person in the middle of a Machiavellian space opera.

okay, this may SERIOUSLY come across as a little attack-ish, but it IS an honest question

How is what you just described NOT admitting you are a self-inflicted pariah with a messiah complex?


I am a self inflicted pariah with a messiah complex. The disagreement is in what self inflicted means in this context.
My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.

Self inflicted implies spite or clumsiness, this is not the case. I choose to be honest and unyielding in my values, this choice makes me a pariah.

CSM 12 Candidate
Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#395 - 2015-04-16 19:28:29 UTC
Xenuria wrote:

My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.


I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game).

You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge.
Xenuria
#396 - 2015-04-16 20:32:55 UTC
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.


I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game).

You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge.

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.

CSM 12 Candidate
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#397 - 2015-04-17 01:15:21 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.


I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game).

You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge.

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.



I can't speak for everyone else, but I used the CFC ballot template & removed the people I don't like from the list. Space Democracy.

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Xenuria
#398 - 2015-04-17 01:18:22 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.


I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game).

You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge.

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.



I can't speak for everyone else, but I used the CFC ballot template & removed the people I don't like from the list. Space Democracy.


There are exceptions to ever rule or norm. I would prefer a community that sees the pre filled ballots as a suggestion and not some word on high as to how you should vote. I talked to many people at fanfest who said a variation of "I just voted for whoever my alliances voted for" when I asked if they voted for me.

Most of them didn't really understand what the CSM was outside the context that they had to click a link and press submit.

CSM 12 Candidate
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#399 - 2015-04-17 02:26:03 UTC
This thread is tragic but I can't seem to stop following it. I think someone has me drugged.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#400 - 2015-04-17 03:06:20 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Lauresh Thellere wrote:
Xenuria wrote:

My honesty and commitment to the things that I feel are important can and often does polarize people.


I think you overestimate your charisma. The vast majority of your votes in CSM 10 were troll votes, they didn't actually believe in you or your policies and you've never provided any evidence to support your bold claims of who votes for you (I'll give you a hint, it's nowhere near 90% of all females in game).

You could be a decent candidate but your insistence on making unsubstantiated claims as well as attacking anyone who questions you and that's bad for politicians as you need to have a silver tounge.

I don't attack people who question me, I attack their arguments or their motives for their question.

Many of my votes were troll votes, I don't think anybody has disputed that. Most power blocs vote for whoever the alliance mail tells them too. How is that any better than troll voting?

Pro Tip: It isn't.


right, but you jump immediately to paranoid measures of questioning the motives and secret agendas of anyone who disagrees with you, simply so you dont have to answer the questions of anyone who doesnt already support you. you dont win arguements, and thereby votes, you instead reason that anybody who doesnt agree with you 100% is part of some status quo seeking conspiracy and isnt worth discussing with.