Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Are you hoping, that by painting anyone who disagrees with your opinion as a greedy subcap pilot, is going to make your arguments any stronger? There is no reason to believe that their opinion has no validity based on their cap status. Otherwise, you're going to have the same argument thrown in your face for wanting to protect your prize pony. Who's to say you're not highly biased based on your status, and should therefore be disregarded as not having uninfluenced reasoning?

Something, something, ad hominem.

Also: I wasn't very involved in the community yet when incarna rage was going around. So got nothing to say there.

Battleships fleets struggle to survive even now, and after Fozziesov they would become completely irrelevant. Svipuls or Ishtars will out-maneuver them and capture command-node thingies in other systems of constellation, with significantly lower risk. And if BS fleet chose to use triage - they chose to lose.

Larger ships (which are battleships and capitals) are in advantage when you want to hold the grid. And you never want to hold the grid in Fozziesov. Unless your titan jump instead of bridge.

I can not guess what CCP is planning.

However, this is an interesting point raised here.

Will there be any reason to use anything bigger than BC for large scale fights after Zero hour of Fozziesov ? New players are less inclined to jump several systems in BS, using JB or being bridged by Titan gives us the "fatigue", and if we intend to defend multiple systems in constellation with limited manpower (small alliances fighting for foothold in 0.0), using BS will slow you down. And capturing structures will now be done by means of "magic" -wand.

What will be the drive to invest in anything bigger than BC ?

Just a question, i dont pretend to know anything about this but it interests me none the less. oh an im newb so go easy on me plz lol

Why doesn't CCP just stop players being able to produce these ships and replace them? introduce some sort of new tech, maybe drop from these new Jove battleship with doomsdays, reverse engineer or somein to a whole new tech lvl of battleships ect that replaces the current super training?

I mean if these ships are "broke" why fix them? just replace them much like what is being done with sov, but replace them with ships that ppl who currently fly these ships will be excited to fly.

Im no pretending to know anything as u can tell, just a question :D

while i havent flown many capital ships at all other then a Nidhoggur and the .. well i dont think it counts Orca...

but i have a slight thought train

a capital ship is a HUGE platform i am in favor of the modes idea but with a twist

give capital ships a number of specialist core systems

basic idea would be that you could have 3 systems

Offence Defence Propulsion

you will have to swap the cores to get the new functions and that would require mooring or station docking and a timer before the core goes active in order to prevent in the field coreswap a capital ship is a bit to big to on the fly change its core workings i mean its a LARGE ship which means it could work well with the future changes.


say for instance i mount a Fighter coordination centre core on my nidhoggur (offence) it would allow me to deploy more fighters per skill level or perhaps they do more damage (effectivly i turned the niddy into a Thanatos bonus wise)

i then choose a auxiliary shield augmentor it improves the shield resists as defence core

as propulsion core i choose improved engine controll, it gives the ship more agility, acceleration and warp speed at the expense of more expensive or taxing jumps (this will be a lazy ratters wet dream i know not the brightest idea so help it improve)

it is now a local area support carrier that has resistances and mobility but it lacks the traditional nidhoggur logistics.
(now i dont feel forced to train a another races capital ship skills and getting one and fit. and suddenly the carriers became interesting again in my eye in contrast to it sitting for 3 years in a hangar doing NOTHING)

or it could have a engineer quarters core for logistics (Offence core)
advanced nano coating in defence core
and gravital warp drive as propulsion

now its a Logistics ship with improved armor resists and it cannot warp from a bubble as usual but drag bubbles cant affect it as when it is in warp its shear gravitaional effect ripples the bubble. the drawback is there is no jumpdrive to use anymore and its weight increase basicly means longer aling time too.

if you would break the ship down into cores or subsystems if you will the capitals could become alot more interesting and diffrent from what they are now.

if we would fit cores then the same hull can do alot of things and in a sense bring in more diversity in the capital fleet atleast for the carreris/moms instead of having a driffrent carrier hull for a diffrent purpose, the ships are just too big to be locked down like that in my perspective.

now i just blindly threw out an idea i have had in my head for a while and it may be bad it may be good or it may just provide a diffrent perspective on what a capital ship can be percived to be.


as for titans and dreads i dont really know ive never flown either but maybe you could give them some core systems and capital grade utilities aswell. like the phenix being turned into a immensly powerfull Ewar platform and the Revelation with the same core a monster cap neutralizer i dont know i havent flown them just ideas from a subcap pilot who is vastly dissapointed in capital grade ships.

constellation warfare offers an interesting opportunity for warfare. basically now that a fight is over several systems... choke hold system gates will be just as valuable as the capture annoms themselves. you could have a bunch of carriers with t3 and insta pop those bc's who are trying to get to the next system to capture that annom. or you could have blappy dreads with tackle... this then would escalate to supers being dropped to kill the gate camp... and then counter drop and so on...

Sorry, I think you misinterpret this thread, unless you are already an expert at Capital play within Fozzysov - which you are not, of course. We are talking about Capitals within this new era right? I would think there are no experts here, just jaded vets and pilots looking to protect their interests, and their "fun". We should get away from all that and actually see how things should be in the future.

All opinions need to be put through the meat grinder, even mine. No need to artificially limit this discussion.

Also this...just...will never die as a feeling in Eve. It has been with us since Beta; players just don't accept that change happens all the time in Eve, and that their preferred game play is under threat. No one is threatening your way of life by having a "washed down version" of EVE.

Eve always evolves...and whether you want to be a part of that or not, is of course, entirely up to you.

Exactly that. Herewith follows an extremely metaphorical post.....

To put it bluntly, if lawmakers the world over smoked pot, pot wouldn't be illegal. If governments taxed it, national budgets would be more than they are now....

The forums aren't the place to check validity of opinions, because quite frankly, opinions are like assholes... we all have em... and the forums are a place to share that crap.. unfortunately. that being said, the price of crap depends on its quality and when determining the quality of crap, caliber and validity are kings. And to find that kind of substance, you have to look beyond the forums, such as killmail records which would indicate you've lost a few caps in your day, less so than those you've killed. As such, your entitled to an opinion on capital ships and supers..... at least in the eyes of your peers whether you acknowledge that or not.....

Just because you don't like gay people, doesn't mean you should stop gay people from having relations with people who are into that sort of thing.. I just don't want to be involved in them doing it. Out of sight, out of mind. Leave the politics to the politicians and go on with YOUR NORMAL LIFE. Unless they threaten to change your lifestyle, in which case, go on strike, off with their heads or [insert appropriate course of action here].

To bring it back to eve terms.... if homosexuality is frowned upon in countries with lawmakers that themselves aren't gay.... then cap ships online will be frowned upon by people who don't play capships online..... as such, those players should learn to shut up and let those who do want to play cap ships online have their game in the areas they play it in... out of sight, out of mind.... Eve is a sandbox after all, not an alleyway shooter with one way of going about things......

This would be a very new pardigm for CCP. I can't recall any ship lines ever being removed entirely. They have a tendency to repurpose them rather than trash them.