Player Features and Ideas Discussion

like a billion times more is produced than used currently

Querns & Mr Omniblivion

I'm still surprised to see you guys so enthused by these changes. I still think CCP needs to be taken to task for continually introducing content that breaks things and then simply applying band aides to fix things instead of addressing problems head on.

I'm sure both of you can remember (and if not can at least look it up) that both Zyd and Mega used to be well above 4k per unit. I remember being able to mine in an 8 mining laser apoc and still being able to make some decent money back then (that was before barges had a good tank and the apoc was a great belt rat tank and miner back then) It wasn't until the drone regions and before mining anoms that things started to get wonky. Its was that new content that broke the game in terms of mining viability (aka isk per hour) given the steep drop in mineral prices.

Anyway, regardless, what I'm getting at is that if this does work, aka industry picks up in null, I still think because of the way anoms work that you will end up with excess high ends. In other words even with the doubling of zyd and mega usage in everything, if you guys actually start doing real industry in null like you want, the extra industry is going to offset the doubling and we end up right back with cheap zyd and mega that makes mining really not worth what it used to be.

zyd and mega are not **** because they're overproduced in a cosmic sense, they're **** because they're significantly overproduced relative to other materials

since you can't build things with just mega/zyd, if you have way more of it produced than other materials it will become worthless and whatever is bottlenecked will be worth something

Take a look at the site comps again and calculate how many minerals come from a given site, then compare it to ship mineral comps.

Bots are fine sacrificing yield, humans are not.

also protip: "special" individuals do not care if you have ore in the can. They are going to loot it anyway, and having the said can near something as helpless as a mining barge is a tard magnet.

Being in a Skiff is not safety, it's a waste of time and ISK (Procurer is equally gank-safe, and, should it be lost in null, 10x cheaper to replace).

You are ignoring the problem that there is no viable barge which doesn't just die pathetically in nullsec outside of blue donut. And in hisec you will be bumped even if you can't be ganked, so having a Skiff solves nothing, atop being inefficient waste of time and ISK - one "special" person can still screw any mining OP, no matter what it fields, so fielding ships which have to stay there longer is something only gewn trolls (who think it's funny pretending to be dumb) could think of.

So what sort of EHP would you consider to not "die pathetically"? I am interested to hear how deep this well of cognitive dissonance goes.

Oh, also:


So at first barges die pathetically, then they don't because of "blue donut?"

The barge is at once incredibly vulnerable, and invincible as well?

It is wise to use the rational part of your brain to post instead of the part of your brain with turbulent emotion and memes that you don't even understand.

Not with the bulwark of the BLUE DONUT guarding them!

If you are going to keep Mercoxit in the anoms, you need to increase the morphite usage, a lot. How about adding it to Alchemy to increase the output/efficiency?

I understand and really like the intention of making sov-null more self-sufficient, and increasing income for nullsec miners (to fix risk/reward). That change is needed. But i have the fear this change will reduce income of highsec-miners, possibly even making it not worthwile. This is not needed by any means, as their income is very low already. So you might want to rework the highsec-ores too.

Besides, i want to suggest, that the ore-specialized mining-anomalys (not ice-belts and the ihub-sites), were scannable grav-sites again. This would especially be usefull for mining in lowsec and npc-null, where you don't have unlimited resources like sov 0.0 but the same kind of risk.