Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bro, I'm about as anti-goon as it's possible to get while being civil, and let me tell you something.

You are batshit crazy.

First off, Goons pushed our **** in at Fountain, and now Delve. I'm certainly not glad about it, but it happened. Second. There is no more blue donut. There's barely two alliances still with good relations left in the northeast, east, southeast, south, or southwest, and soon to be west. It's just the CFC squatting in the north/northwest with lots of blues, and just about everyone else prepping to shank our neighbor when Fozziesov hits.

The ore related stuff is a mixture of issues, but I doubt I could beat the basics into you with a sledge. The TLDR though is that if we paid a living wage to nullsec miners to mine all the trit we need with the current anom makeup, BS's would cost upwards of 500 mil. And that just isn't going to work, and CCP knows it.

Prior to this change, mining in null was equal or worse than mining in highsec. Null specific ores were less valuable than trit (except crok, because nocx).

It's not like anyone can just go and mine freely in null ore anomalies. A group must own sov, install an IHUB, install upgrades in the system and maintain the industrial level. There is no security in null, and roaming gangs of interceptors can catch and kill any miner that they find. Mining isn't free in null- being part of an alliance means that you pay taxes. Whether or not it's a per person tax or a refining tax, you have to pay to help maintain the space. Furthermore, once you get the ore in null and refine it, you then have to ship out excess mid/high ends and import the remaining low ends that you need (which incurs transport costs both ways). The number of people mining in nullsec space directly relates to how much hostile activity will be in that system, since industrial indices are readily available to everyone. This means that the more that anyone mines in null, the more the risk increases.

In highsec, you just undock and warp to a belt. If you're in a skiff, your chances of being suicide ganked are near zero. You could then refine and move your minerals freely within highsec. It doesn't matter how much ore is mined in highsec- no one can see an indices to see how much ore is mined. Furthermore, miners can resort to mining missions if their belts are done for the day.

CCP is finally making a change to fix the mining situation in null- it desperately needed a fix. Mining in nullsec was literally the worst activity you could do in terms of isk/hr in null unless you were running a fleet of 10+ miners. Players that wanted to mine to build their own ships were still forced to import low end minerals because there simply isn't enough available (WITHIN REASON- belt mining was the dumbest thing to do in null).

Now, we will have a system that rewards cherry picking nullsec static belts, while allowing for groups of players to mine anomalies in order to get proper portions of minerals that they need to build the basic t1 items that are needed everywhere.

All of the highsec hurfers are coming out of the woodworks to say how this is an unfair buff to null etc etc. They clearly have not looked at any data nor do they have a grasp on how income works across the game.

It's not a surprise that I also have to spell this out for the highsec people. As ore belts and anomalies increase in value, null miners are going to switch from ice to ores. As they do, isotope prices will increase across the board. Highsec miners will then have an opportunity to start mining (or continue to mine) ice at an increased profit per hour.

Step 1) Fly a skiff
Step 2) Orbit your can

What about the reprocessing values on meta modules? Are you going to adjust those upwards, as well?

If not, then T1 modules become even more expensive, relative to low metas - and thus, even less incentive to build/use T1 except as components in T2 module manufacturing.

Note that low meta prices tend to be bounded by their reprocessing value, in the majority of cases where the NPC drops and market supply are high (and not being deliberately market manipulated). For most modules, the reprocessing value is already significantly lower than the T1 build cost, making those modules impractical to build, esp. since even the low metas tend to have better stats than T1.

Module tiericide has completely failed to address this problem, thus far.

Very aptly put.

One has to agree that some of them may be inexperienced due to age, but it shouldn't give way to making slanderous accusations.

This thread makes me want to go mine something. In Lowsecks.

Null sec mining will not be prosperous if you let the miner be a sitting duck in the belt waiting for a Ares or Catalyst to get him. Persons with logical mind will not mine there.

Posting in hidden "high sec gun mining buff" thread... Time to queue Scrapmetal Processing, IMHO.

But seriosly speaking they are not buffing null sec mining. They are killing high sec production (due to doubled zydrine / megacyte requirements and nerf of hemorphite content). And that means null sec will not be able to import that much from high sec and there fore prices there will go up as well.

Solution was not playing with blueprints / ore content. Solution was to make all belts moving / scanable. And ban any miner from rokie system if that miner is over 30 days old.

T3 miner sounds awesome? what will it have more mining power? So making it the best ship to mine and lowering all other ships mining potential coz more minerals coming in while demand stays the same means prices will drop..

Heh-heh, I remember getting multi-million volume Zyd orders filled as low as 630 p/u just two days before o7 Show.

People would then rage in GD on April 1st with, "What - who knew, investigate nao!"

Heh-heh.

Science & Trade thread went completely over the heads of 99%, MD and S&T activity being very low overall. Please explode more spaceships to bring more people back.