Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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My quick read came up with "meh" honestly was expecting something a bit more radical, such as single mineral ores.

Ok like other folks have said

if you want mining to increase then move the anoms back to being scanned down (including ice)

it made for an interesting game, reds had to work to get kills and miners had to be even more alert.

Pre open anoms

red comes in scans down and book marks the sites , miners scatter. Hours later (hopefully when no one remembers the reds name) the red returns warps to book mark.

much better that jump in open probe scanner select anom warp to anom gank miner leave.

All these changes only address one side (and the less important one of) of why null mining isn't happening.

Mining as it is, is a very uninteractive activity. You need a bunch of people sitting in a belt for hours, who can do nothing but drag ore from their bay. At the same time you need someone to clear the rats (who gets to do nothing for ~30min, then be active for 2) and if you plan to defend from PvP enemies, you need a sizable gang on standby (which is supremely boring).

The suggestion brought by others to make ore sites (in null only) require scanning is a great one.

Secondly the exhumers (or at least 1-2 of them or a new class of mining ships) need to be redesigned with the idea of nullsec defensive combat. This doesn't just mean lots of tank, because a helpless ship with lots of tank will just get ground down eventually. They need to actually be able to protect themselves, something like bonuses and slots to allow fitting of undersized weapons (or RLMLs) that would allow a pack of exhumers to not be a pushover for a smaller number of inities or a torp bomber drop. For example adding a max 3 fitted to strip miners, and adding turret/launcher highs, more mids and bonusing small weapons on the hull, but reducing warp speed to make them undesirable offensively.

Another idea would be to gate the ore production through availability not time to harvest, much like exploration sites. Make it an intense, high ISK/hr activity where it makes sense for combat and mining players to work together in a group over a short span with high rewards.

how the hell do you expect mining to be exciting.. what you want them to pvp the damn rocks? good grief go find a new home already.

I don't think this will be a major issue, firstly because Meg and zyd are a very small portion of build materials, and secondly, oversupply was the reason current prices are where they are at (speculation effects notwithstanding).

My only concern, and maybe slightly misinformed opinion, is that once the mineral becomes more demanded, the supply will catch up like it does currently, leaving us with a new status quo. However I am not against the idea of giving highsec some sort of limited direct acces to those two minerals.

Highsec doesn't really need a source of megacyte. Interregional trade is the backbone of quite a few industries. I'd sure love for all moon minerals to be available in my backyard, but, alas, it is not to be. Highsec will survive with the least-used mineral being a little harder to get.

Kind of an odd thing to say in a thread about changing the system so NS is able to be self sufficient.



Id wager more people will quit silently, than choose to go to NS. I don't think you get why people play in HS. HTFU doesn't really apply here either when we are talking about the core production of the game. There is a reason that the VAST majority of production and sales occur in HS, and when if the changes goes through production in HS is going to go into decline, everything will cost more, and people will simply...stop playing.

I don't think you quite grasp the absolute dependency this game has on HS production...and you are quite naive to believe NS is going to be the savior of production, it has always been more profitable to produce in NS...yet people don't...I wonder why that could be.

Nullsec only imports because people do not use the space they claim ownership of. Thousands of m3 of Ore go uncollected every single day simply because people don't set foot in the systems....

in other words.
"We import from HS, because we don't mine it ourselves."

Much different than
"We import from NS, because we can't mine it ourselves."

ISK/HR all the money in the world to buy the nothing on market. Sounds like a fun game.

That's where importing comes in. The JF pilot gets paid, the importer gets paid, and the buyer gets what he wants. Everyone wins!