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EVE-O preview - multi-client preview / switcher - v1.18.3

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Sir Crom
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2015-03-24 02:11:48 UTC
Hey I have another input that I would love to see implemented into the program.

Saving screen and loadout positions of the overviews and screen sizes so if I want to use lets say a 1 big and 4 preview side setup, then later want to use a 1 big, 4 previews on bottom. it could easily be swapped from one setup to other.

And for sake of editing just make the XML files save in a subdirectory of the main program then you just have to point the program to a directory...

I hope I explained it well enough for all to understand...

Right now to accomplish this buy having 2 installs in differnent directories.....Ugh





P.S. I have multiple monitors and use my laptop and desktop at times...
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#122 - 2015-03-24 15:10:10 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Is this bannable now?

In the fanfest presentation I watched they said
Quote:
"You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the game environment or change how the game is played"
and this certainly changes how the game appears and is played.

I like the window management I just would like to make sure it's not illegal too.


Doesn't modify the ingame client, nor does it change how the game appears or is played.

Its pretty much a overlay window that the OS can provide (monitor emulation). There is no direct changes or inputs that program can provide ingame.

Its a weird dance.

Neither does isboxer's VideoFX but it was held up as an example of something bannable. Videofx only works because of Windows DWM thumbnails and I thought this program was using the same concept.


You are looking at the technology and not how it is used. With ISBoxer, elements of multiple clients can be mashed together to make a "custom client". That is what is objectionable. As far as I know, you can't do that with EVE-O Preview. Or has it changed since I last looked at it?

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"

Nolak Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2015-03-24 15:30:20 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Is this bannable now?

In the fanfest presentation I watched they said
Quote:
"You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the game environment or change how the game is played"
and this certainly changes how the game appears and is played.

I like the window management I just would like to make sure it's not illegal too.

Doesn't modify the ingame client, nor does it change how the game appears or is played.
Its pretty much a overlay window that the OS can provide (monitor emulation). There is no direct changes or inputs that program can provide ingame.
Its a weird dance.


ISboxer uses the same software that is used here, and it was ruled in violation of 6A2 so by extension this program is in violation of the EULA as well. However, we're seeing the exact same thing occur here that happened with T20;namely, CCP priviledge in protecting someone or something that is violating the EULA. I wonder if ISBoxer was banned as a means of eliminating competition, because Team Security was grasping at straws when they said VideoFX modified the client. Pro Tip: it doesn't. It uses Aero and DWM, neither of which CCP owns or holds a controlling interest in.
Phoenix Jones
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-03-24 15:34:29 UTC
Except ISboxer wasn't banned. Input broadcasting and multiplexing was. You can use ISboxer just as you use this program.

You just can't use the broadcasting function or the key duplication function of ISboxer. Eve previewed has none (hell there isn't even a hotkey function for view switching in it).

Yaay!!!!

Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#125 - 2015-03-24 16:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Hey guys,

After reading a few of the last posts and the concern about this piece of software being allowed or not, I went and had a chat with our security guys. They have confirmed this is totally acceptable, nothing has changed. :)

Fly safe.


Guys. FoxFour talked with the security folks. According to him everything is allowed that this program does. While I appreciate the discussion and activity in this thread (which encourages me to find more time to work on this program), it's over something the devs have said isn't an issue.

EDIT: and correct, ISBoxer wasn't banned. Just the functionality of sending the same command to multiple clients.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

Nolak Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2015-03-24 20:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
I'd believe that if we didn't just have a 5-boxer who was not using any sort of broadcasting get banned. Additionally, there is no part of the EULA that talks about commands being sent to certain clients. There was a kerfluffle over the usage of a KVM switch some time ago which was ruled legal. ISBoxer is nothing more than a software-based KVM switch.

Allow me to quote George Orwell of 1984 fame: “Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
Leonis Perthshire
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#127 - 2015-04-05 20:12:31 UTC
Al right this is my serious request.

The app is awesome great an everything but it would be cool a trick on it to allow run character from the same account at one time.
Currently only allow to run one character of each account. please please please.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

White Maul

Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs
The Serenity Initiative
#128 - 2015-04-06 00:41:07 UTC
Leonis Perthshire wrote:
Al right this is my serious request.

The app is awesome great an everything but it would be cool a trick on it to allow run character from the same account at one time.
Currently only allow to run one character of each account. please please please.



Since you can only log-in with one character on an account at a time I do not see a problem.

Unless I am missing something?

Cat Harkness

CEO

Twilight Labs

Leonis Perthshire
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#129 - 2015-04-06 03:20:47 UTC
Cat Harkness wrote:
Leonis Perthshire wrote:
Al right this is my serious request.

The app is awesome great an everything but it would be cool a trick on it to allow run character from the same account at one time.
Currently only allow to run one character of each account. please please please.



Since you can only log-in with one character on an account at a time I do not see a problem.

Unless I am missing something?



Might be am not explaining good.


this is not a problem of the this app, but of the eve luncher. that don't allow you or me in this case to use 1 account two character or the same account. isbox by pass this by creating like virtual machine. would be cool that this app would allow the same.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

White Maul

Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#130 - 2015-04-06 14:11:54 UTC
I'm sorry, I'm not following. I wasn't aware you could use more than one character per account at one time.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP

Leonis Perthshire
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#131 - 2015-04-07 03:37:18 UTC
Makari Aeron wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not following. I wasn't aware you could use more than one character per account at one time.



Yes whit isboxer but I don't wanna pay. Am bad.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

White Maul

ashley Eoner
#132 - 2015-04-08 10:28:12 UTC
Leonis Perthshire wrote:
Makari Aeron wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not following. I wasn't aware you could use more than one character per account at one time.



Yes whit isboxer but I don't wanna pay. Am bad.

No you can't.
Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs
The Serenity Initiative
#133 - 2015-04-08 22:08:31 UTC
When you log on with a second character from the same account, the first one will get disconnected.

Cat Harkness

CEO

Twilight Labs

Jessie Jackson
Fuel Blocks for Dante
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#134 - 2015-04-09 21:24:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie Jackson
I am having a problem getting a set-up going similar to the "Four clients in a sidebar" example. The problem is, the previews only show up when the clients are minimised. As soon as I click one to make that client active, the preview disappears. The only way I can get the previews to show on screen is to minimise each client. I have the Previews always on top checked, and do NOT have hide preview of active eve client checked.

Also, I am running windows 8.1.

Any help would be appreciated, I would love to use this to manage my clients! This is a great project!


*EDIT*
I figured it out. It was teamviewer. I forgot I had it running in the background. Once I closed teamviewer, all is well. Thanks for the great program!
Nolak Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2015-04-10 20:33:18 UTC
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
Bluntmasta
kolw Corp
#136 - 2015-04-10 21:20:52 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.


Bud, you really need to get over it. Isboxer's functions have been neutered. Either adapt, or quit. Looking at your previous posts, you seem to be obsessed with the whole Isboxer thing.
Leonis Perthshire
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#137 - 2015-04-10 21:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonis Perthshire
Nolak Ataru wrote:
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.



This app and isboxer don't brake the laws.

In common sense any app that auto send clicks to different clients aren't allow. Both app you have to give click and instruction to control your ship(s). If you read up you will see CCP was in this post contributing in a way showing that is not illegal app.

“If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don’t fight, you can’t win!” – Eren Jaeger

White Maul

CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#138 - 2015-04-12 09:15:35 UTC
Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state.

@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co

Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.

CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#139 - 2015-04-12 09:16:21 UTC
Jessie Jackson wrote:
I am having a problem getting a set-up going similar to the "Four clients in a sidebar" example. The problem is, the previews only show up when the clients are minimised. As soon as I click one to make that client active, the preview disappears. The only way I can get the previews to show on screen is to minimise each client. I have the Previews always on top checked, and do NOT have hide preview of active eve client checked.

Also, I am running windows 8.1.

Any help would be appreciated, I would love to use this to manage my clients! This is a great project!


*EDIT*
I figured it out. It was teamviewer. I forgot I had it running in the background. Once I closed teamviewer, all is well. Thanks for the great program!


Interesting. Thanks for coming back and letting us know you figured it out. This is good to know.

@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co

Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.

Makari Aeron
Winnie Blues and VB Crew
Unchained Alliance
#140 - 2015-04-12 16:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
Hey folks. I'll look into your issues soon. I'm on vacation currently. I do apologize for not fixing the present bugs and helping with support recently. Life has been hectic in the last month. I will try to troubleshoot tomorrow while at work.

Thanks for your understanding and thank you Fox Four for settling the legality discussion again. I need to edit the OP with links to you and the dev blog.

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP