Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know this thread will get buried quickly beneath 3 entosis link whine threads and 2 nerf local threads, because its a issue few people can relate to. So I ask u CCP Fozzie directly (who I hope reads the forums faithfully :P): Its a small change, its in line with the other field CS and it makes sense. Please have mercy with us Absolution pilots and do it.

Ok, I also made a mistake there, the vulture is a former fleet command ship and still has a projection bonus, leaving the absolution as the only turret CS without such a bonus. Doesnt make my conclusion bad though, the Absolution should get a optimal bonus.

I can assure you thats not the case with any Laser ship and most certainly not with Battlecruiser hulls.

Absolution without capacitor bonus? Let's see: 5 Heavy Beam Laser II with IN Multi M, 2 Medium Smarties, 10MN MWD and Scram runs stable for 2 Minutes; with a Small Cap Booster II and Navy 400s: 11 Minutes. With 2 Small neuts instead it lasts 1:43/3:40 respectively.

So 2 minutes of guns and MWD cap life is "caps out in seconds"?

Or just fit a small cap booster and be done with it. A ship doesnt need to be cap stable with everything running to be useful in combat, however in the current meta, especially the lowsec and nullsec meta, it definatly needs damage projection.

2 minutes is 120 seconds.

Why does a ship have to heed the "current meta"? There need to be different options, not the same option just in different hulls. Also, I do not see how the Abso is worse than the other CS. It's in a comfortable 3rd place with ~19T destroyed value (4th if you take the killmail whoring of the Damnation (40T kills) into account). Only Sleipnir (30T kills), Claymore (23T kills) are ahead. All other CS have a lot less kills in terms of money destroyed (for comparison). I do not see why the Absolution needs any change considering that kind of high use and popularity. Not to mention that the fall-off-bonuses on the remaining CS haven't really helped them to get better or used more.

And a day is 86400 seconds.
The issue is that this cap bonus doesnt create a "interesting choice" as its useless in almost all cases. On the other hand the Damnation doesnt utilise its Range bonus either in many cases as it often operates at very close range, or with no launchers in large fleets. So why not have the absolution get the range bonus as it would create the choice of having a tanky long range (you can still use it at short range but you have the choice now to use it at long range aswell) laser command ship and either let the damnation have its useless bonus or give it the application bonus the other missile CS have.

Because, by looking at objective KB data, the fall-off bonus does not help a CS to stand out.

• The Damnation is, as said, just whoring on kills and I do not know any pilot who'd use a Damnation as a fleet or solo/small gang primary damage ship.
• The Sleipnir excels in its role as a fast and agile small/solo killer.
• The Claymore is in a similar place as the Damnation but at least offer the bonus of a shield fit and better agility/speed so that you can use it as a solo/small damage dealer.
• The Vulture is also only good in its role as a on-grid booster. There are some fleet setups where Vultures mimic the Tengu, but judging by the numbers it's not all to effective or widely used.
• The Nighthawk is just awkward. You can have a surprising ship for small fleets, but the very limited range coupled with the low speed don't give it many favorable usage scenarios.
• Eos and Astarte should be used a lot more as drones are awesome and Blasters/Rails as well, but even their bonuses do not help them to take off.

The Absolution has a commanding lead of the next best CS without the fall-off bonus. That shows that the Absolution has at least some strong usage scenarios and that it does not need such a bonus to be useful. The Damnation is not a choice for a DPS boat. You cannot get anywhere near the DPS or versatility out of a Damnation that other CS offer. It's damage is always very lackluster, which is, by no means, a problem as it excels in its role as a very tough nut to crack as on-field command ship booster. The Absolution, on the other hand, is a very good mixture between an effective medium range and short range fleet damage dealer comparable to Zealot and Legion, with better tank than the Zealot and better ISK/material value than the Legion.

So you want a range bonus on the abso and are prepared to defend it to the death. Everyone else (so far) thinks it's fine as is.

If you start taking all the 'wasted' cap usage bonus' away from amarr ships and start giving them damage/range/ROF bonus, we'll eventally remember how OP lasers used to be. A pulse raven was pretty badass at one time. I'd rather not go back to that.

I think you're missing some of what a pulse abso is. You put a small gang of them together and the have decent damage projection. It's not ideal swapping to long range crystals, but they do reach out and touch your targets. The unspoken truth is that if your opponent should choose to come in to zero, then the abso gang swaps to multi/conflag and melts face. It seems like you want it both ways - devastating pulse damage at both short and long range. Or are you looking for a beam abso platform?

You really haven't said what you want in specific terms. That would be helpful. EX: I want a pulse abso that can do X damage out to X range. Fill in the Xs. Or I want a beam abso that.... (barf.... cough.... gack)

I'll stand on my original statement - the abso rocks as is. Feel free to take it inside of 10km, apply web/scram and melt anything you like into space junk. It will work every single time.