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Xenuria: CSM 10

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#361 - 2015-03-16 04:30:10 UTC

Does not take a genius to see who has been busy trolling this thread. I suppose it's to be expected being weird or different on the internet.

That said, it seems clear that even with an appointment to CSM, Xenuria I think you may very quickly alienate your peers and CCP staff and find yourself shut out of any key discussions and decision making. I think the way in which you are approaching the so-called problem statement is adversarial and negative. I think there are more constructive ways of driving the kind of changes you'd like to but in this particular campaign you've chosen not to take that approach. I say this as someone who is sympathetic to an outsider's point of view, which you have made every attempt to engender.

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#362 - 2015-03-16 07:00:44 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Does not take a genius to see who has been busy trolling this thread. I suppose it's to be expected being weird or different on the internet.
From those stats, it's obviously Xenuria. Blink

HarlyQ wrote:
What country I'll write your eve name on the ballot. :)
Thanks for the confidence, but Denmark doesn't allow write-in candidates.
Would be hella-sweet if Alphea got elected though, I'm sure she'd raise all kinds of hell in Parliament. Big smile
Erika Mizune
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#363 - 2015-03-19 01:24:30 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Does not take a genius to see who has been busy trolling this thread. I suppose it's to be expected being weird or different on the internet.
From those stats, it's obviously Xenuria. Blink


Which are mostly him trolling replies and saying why he won't answer a question, heh. So that would be accurate.

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#364 - 2015-03-22 14:26:16 UTC
So, election is over, it's time for evaluation of what went well and what went badly.
Will we see any evaluation from Xenuria? Or will we see another candidacy for CSM 11, with the same unappealing (And in many ways, dishonest, fantasy-based and offputting) platform and the same, predictable election result?

Oh, and if anyone knows where to get the numbers, how many voted for Xenuria as their first choice? I need something to set as a personal minimum (Since the actual minimum of local votes includes party votes and votes for other candidates). *
C'mon Xenuria, you have tried to play the strong-man-card here, the all-knowing, superior election-campaign-machine with an infallible platform that doesn't allow for further questions. Let's see how you hold up against someone who does this for both study and 'living'.
(Okay, 'living' needs more quotationmarks, it's pretty hyperbolic since it's only an expenses-paid-for kind of deal.)

Let's shake hands on this bet.
I raise you 1 ISK, your space-honour and that you have to answer all questions in your candidacy thread next time you run, and that answer cannot be in the "check OP/platform post" or "I refuse to answer because of [reasons]" - but copy-paste of earlier answers to same types of questions is fine.
What will you demand of me? Mention in my speeches? Naked Twitch-streaming? Saluting Fat Bee? (Okay, not that last one, I do have standards...)

Let's do it, politicians' honour.Blink



*Actual goals will be set on sane conditions, not internet bets.
Xenuria
#365 - 2015-03-23 02:50:30 UTC
The election is over and more than half of the new CSM is CFC. I tried to warn you all, I told you this would happen.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#366 - 2015-03-23 04:36:14 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
The election is over and more than half of the new CSM is CFC. I tried to warn you all, I told you this would happen.


Do you also predict it will be hot in Florida in July?

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.

Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#367 - 2015-03-23 07:18:15 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
The election is over and more than half of the new CSM is CFC. I tried to warn you all, I told you this would happen.
So, two things here, both makes you seem ill-informed.
First, you're complaining that the representatives are, by and large, representative of the voting population. How can this surprise you? Would it surprise you if I told you that Barack Obama achieved a majority of the popular vote in the last election? No? Then why are you complaining, when the reverse would obviously be worse?
Second, you're wrong. Endie, Sion and Thoric are CFC, and apparently corbexx will go that way as well, giving you at best 4/14 CFC members. Not only can't you understand the STV system specifically, or democracy in general, but apparently basic math is too much for you?

Damn, you're too easy.

Kiryen O'Bannon also has a good point. I had actually expected it to be 4 "out of the box", and then perhaps one or two with shifting allegiances, and most of all I had expected one, if not both, of the permanent attendees to be CFC. I'd like to get the numbers to crunch, this result would be consistent with a divided ballot, so it's interesting to see to how large or small a degree the CFC ballot was followed to the letter.
Esmanpir
Raccoon's with LightSabers
#368 - 2015-03-30 19:43:01 UTC
1) The election seems to be representative of those who voted.
2) Xenuria - With all respect. No matter how good, correct or righteous your platform is (or is not), people won't elect someone they don't like or identify with. A study of democratic politics shows this. You need to either re-invent yourself to the current voting population (who apparently don't agree with your position), change your position (and approach since it seems to turn people off), mobilize the non-voting mass's behind your 'disenfranchised' revolution, or start planning Xenuria CSM 11, 12, 13, etc. campaign.

beakerax
Pator Tech School
#369 - 2015-04-01 00:14:54 UTC
Esmanpir wrote:
You need to either re-invent yourself to the current voting population (who apparently don't agree with your position), change your position (and approach since it seems to turn people off), mobilize the non-voting mass's behind your 'disenfranchised' revolution, or start planning Xenuria CSM 11, 12, 13, etc. campaign.

In CSM9 he came in 34th out of 36, and in CSMX he came 19th out of 75, so I'm not sure your analysis is entirely accurate.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#370 - 2015-04-06 15:23:00 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Esmanpir wrote:
You need to either re-invent yourself to the current voting population (who apparently don't agree with your position), change your position (and approach since it seems to turn people off), mobilize the non-voting mass's behind your 'disenfranchised' revolution, or start planning Xenuria CSM 11, 12, 13, etc. campaign.

In CSM9 he came in 34th out of 36, and in CSMX he came 19th out of 75, so I'm not sure your analysis is entirely accurate.
Xenuria has started the next campaign, so I think it holds water.
And while I hate to be "that person", source?

Of course, running on a platform of "outsider" will attract likeminded people. In a regular democracy, outsiders might also be able to change the system a little, it's just a shame that this isn't a regular democracy.
Xenuria would have bleated about "change" and the 13 other CSMs would actually improve the game. Whenever CCP would ask Xenuria about something game-related, he'd default to someone who knew the subject at hand, as he stated earlier in this thread.
Xenuria, if true to his word, would become an empty seat, solving only Xenurias ego-problem, namely the problem that Xenuria can't get elected to CSM.

And of course, Xenuria changes positions between each CSM election, it's just a matter of whatever new dumb idea he thinks will solve his problem.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#371 - 2015-04-06 18:47:52 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Esmanpir wrote:
You need to either re-invent yourself to the current voting population (who apparently don't agree with your position), change your position (and approach since it seems to turn people off), mobilize the non-voting mass's behind your 'disenfranchised' revolution, or start planning Xenuria CSM 11, 12, 13, etc. campaign.

In CSM9 he came in 34th out of 36, and in CSMX he came 19th out of 75, so I'm not sure your analysis is entirely accurate.



19th out of 75 isn't telling the whole story though.

If you want to see a CSM with him on it, that'd be a 25 person CSM. He doesn't have any support from people who voted for people who were actually elected, gaining a pitiful number of votes from overspill.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Xenuria
#372 - 2015-04-06 22:23:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Steve Ronuken wrote:
beakerax wrote:
Esmanpir wrote:
You need to either re-invent yourself to the current voting population (who apparently don't agree with your position), change your position (and approach since it seems to turn people off), mobilize the non-voting mass's behind your 'disenfranchised' revolution, or start planning Xenuria CSM 11, 12, 13, etc. campaign.

In CSM9 he came in 34th out of 36, and in CSMX he came 19th out of 75, so I'm not sure your analysis is entirely accurate.



19th out of 75 isn't telling the whole story though.

If you want to see a CSM with him on it, that'd be a 25 person CSM. He doesn't have any support from people who voted for people who were actually elected, gaining a pitiful number of votes from overspill.


You know what's pitiful? An in-crowd so terrified of reform that they take steps to disenfranchise people who represent a threat to their world view. Reform will happen with or without me, that much is certain. Your efforts are in vain.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#373 - 2015-04-06 23:56:46 UTC
And what steps are being taken to disenfranchise people?

Please list them, or you're just libelling people.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Xenuria
#374 - 2015-04-07 16:35:56 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
And what steps are being taken to disenfranchise people?

Please list them, or you're just libelling people.

If you would like to have this conversation outside the eve forums I would be happy to indulge you. So long as it's entirety is recorded and made available unedited to the masses.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#375 - 2015-04-07 16:45:57 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
And what steps are being taken to disenfranchise people?

Please list them, or you're just libelling people.

If you would like to have this conversation outside the eve forums I would be happy to indulge you. So long as it's entirety is recorded and made available unedited to the masses.



I don't see a need to take it out of the forums. Here will do nicely. unedited and available to the masses.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Xenuria
#376 - 2015-04-07 16:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
And what steps are being taken to disenfranchise people?

Please list them, or you're just libelling people.

If you would like to have this conversation outside the eve forums I would be happy to indulge you. So long as it's entirety is recorded and made available unedited to the masses.



I don't see a need to take it out of the forums. Here will do nicely. unedited and available to the masses.

I would prefer a level playing field, in the eve forums there are things I am not allowed to talk about, but you already knew that.
You aim to bait me into violating the forum rules and removing myself as a threat. I might be socially naive but I am not stupid.

If you honestly want to open a dialog which you have probably ascertained would implicate you, than we must do so outside the forums. If my claims hold no truth to them, what have you to fear from this?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#377 - 2015-04-07 16:52:41 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
And what steps are being taken to disenfranchise people?

Please list them, or you're just libelling people.

If you would like to have this conversation outside the eve forums I would be happy to indulge you. So long as it's entirety is recorded and made available unedited to the masses.



I don't see a need to take it out of the forums. Here will do nicely. unedited and available to the masses.

I would prefer a level playing field, in the eve forums there are things I am not allowed to talk about, buy you already know this.
You aim to bait me into violating the forum rules and removing myself as a threat. I might be socially naive but I am not stupid.

If you honestly want to open a dialog which you have probably ascertained would implicate you, than we must do so outside the forums.



Then list it elsewhere. Perhaps on Medium.com, if you don't have a blog of your own.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Xenuria
#378 - 2015-04-07 16:57:40 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
And what steps are being taken to disenfranchise people?

Please list them, or you're just libelling people.

If you would like to have this conversation outside the eve forums I would be happy to indulge you. So long as it's entirety is recorded and made available unedited to the masses.



I don't see a need to take it out of the forums. Here will do nicely. unedited and available to the masses.

I would prefer a level playing field, in the eve forums there are things I am not allowed to talk about, buy you already know this.
You aim to bait me into violating the forum rules and removing myself as a threat. I might be socially naive but I am not stupid.

If you honestly want to open a dialog which you have probably ascertained would implicate you, than we must do so outside the forums.



Then list it elsewhere. Perhaps on Medium.com, if you don't have a blog of your own.


Blink

That course of action is being considered. Trust me when I say that if I decide to go forward with that, you will be one of the first to know.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#379 - 2015-04-09 16:18:46 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I would prefer a level playing field, in the eve forums there are things I am not allowed to talk about, but you already knew that.
You aim to bait me into violating the forum rules and removing myself as a threat. I might be socially naive but I am not stupid.

If you honestly want to open a dialog which you have probably ascertained would implicate you, than we must do so outside the forums. If my claims hold no truth to them, what have you to fear from this?
Clearly, being "a victim" is more important to you than getting "the truth" out.
You're neither a threat nor really claiming anything useful.
Like the worst of conspiracy theorists, you make vague pseudo-claims, back down when pressed, and when pressed further you claim oppression of opinion and postulate that elaboration is on the way.

So let's tell it as it is, right?
- Your opinions aren't oppressed, unless you mean by the weight of counterevidence in the cases I have observed.
- Your claims of disenfranchisement are based on other things than evidence, and when pressed for evidence, apparently you might consider doing something somewhere, but you're not sure of anything but where this information will not be forthcoming, namely here, where it's relevant.
- You explicitly libel or threaten those who asks for evidence for your claims.

In short, you're not socially naive as much as a poor manipulator and "peoples man", dishonest and only out to promote the "solution" that Xenuria is elected to the CSM. Trouble is, the only "problem" this could potentially solve is your battered ego.
Run in CSM 11, 12, 13, 14 and n+1, I invite you.
It's hilarious to see you flail and fail, and I am sure that you'll get elected somewhere around CSM 25, which will soothe the pain of having been rejected all prior elections.
Xenuria
#380 - 2015-04-09 16:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
I would prefer a level playing field, in the eve forums there are things I am not allowed to talk about, but you already knew that.
You aim to bait me into violating the forum rules and removing myself as a threat. I might be socially naive but I am not stupid.

If you honestly want to open a dialog which you have probably ascertained would implicate you, than we must do so outside the forums. If my claims hold no truth to them, what have you to fear from this?
Clearly, being "a victim" is more important to you than getting "the truth" out.
You're neither a threat nor really claiming anything useful.
Like the worst of conspiracy theorists, you make vague pseudo-claims, back down when pressed, and when pressed further you claim oppression of opinion and postulate that elaboration is on the way.

So let's tell it as it is, right?
- Your opinions aren't oppressed, unless you mean by the weight of counterevidence in the cases I have observed.
- Your claims of disenfranchisement are based on other things than evidence, and when pressed for evidence, apparently you might consider doing something somewhere, but you're not sure of anything but where this information will not be forthcoming, namely here, where it's relevant.
- You explicitly libel or threaten those who asks for evidence for your claims.

In short, you're not socially naive as much as a poor manipulator and "peoples man", dishonest and only out to promote the "solution" that Xenuria is elected to the CSM. Trouble is, the only "problem" this could potentially solve is your battered ego.
Run in CSM 11, 12, 13, 14 and n+1, I invite you.
It's hilarious to see you flail and fail, and I am sure that you'll get elected somewhere around CSM 25, which will soothe the pain of having been rejected all prior elections.


Your argument is logical but ultimately based on false information. I am not dishonest, I am brutally honest. My ego is not important to the CSM or to CCP. In fact my ego is not even relevant to the discussion. Constantly bringing up "ego" as a retort to my platform says more about you and the caricatures you are perpetuated than it does me or my platform.

I would also remind you that if you want to accuse me of something as you have a habit of doing than you could at least provide some proof of your claims. You come off as a troll at worst and a well meaning hypocrite at best when you shout for evidence while simultaneous providing none when the burden of proof rests on you to do so. I already cited my sources, were are yours?