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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-07 05:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Edit: It has been brought to my attention that the new modular POS system will solve this issue to some extent, most likely making it a lot easier to set up and take down a POS. I should have made this post a long time ago but now is not the right time to be suggesting it. Let us see how the new system plays out, and comment on it after it comes out. Until then, please cease commenting here and let this thread die.



I had an idea for a way to allow POS owners to occasionally leave their POS alone for an extended period of time, while normally they would still be required to give it plenty of frequent attention:

A special fuel block that allows a POS to run for a nice long period, say, a month without needing to be re-fueled. During the time this fuel is in-use, if the POS gets reinforced, it won't come out of reinforce until at least the end of its extended fuel cycle. The fuel could only be used once per year and could not be put into use while the POS is under siege or shortly after a siege attempt.



Alternative idea: put a POS in low-power mode which shuts down a lot of the functions but saves fuel.
Hopelesshobo wrote:
I would be down for simply having a POS have a low power mode, where it offlines all of it's fitting capabilities in exchange for a greatly reduced consumption of the fuel blocks we currently have.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2015-04-07 05:38:17 UTC
Just pull the POS down, store it in a DST, and log it off. Come back, weeks later, tan and terrible holiday selfies in hand and put it back up again.

Uses less fuel!
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-04-07 06:09:50 UTC
That's what I think, too, but I'm trying to be inclusive of the whiney types who insist on being friends with people they can't trust: ie. CEOs who have a POS up for their corp and don't want to take it down while they are away but also can't stand the thought of hiring a director to manage the thing.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#4 - 2015-04-07 06:34:18 UTC
I would be down for simply having a POS have a low power mode, where it offlines all of it's fitting capabilities in exchange for a greatly reduced consumption of the fuel blocks we currently have. Leave the stront timers alone though, if you decide to go offline, and you choose not to tear it down, that is your issue.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-04-07 06:41:18 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
I would be down for simply having a POS have a low power mode, where it offlines all of it's fitting capabilities in exchange for a greatly reduced consumption of the fuel blocks we currently have.

I like that idea. Mind if I quote you in the OP?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#6 - 2015-04-07 06:47:09 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
I would be down for simply having a POS have a low power mode, where it offlines all of it's fitting capabilities in exchange for a greatly reduced consumption of the fuel blocks we currently have.

I like that idea. Mind if I quote you in the OP?

Does it keep its bubble going?

If so, say hello to super-cheap titan-holding POSes.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#7 - 2015-04-07 06:57:57 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
I would be down for simply having a POS have a low power mode, where it offlines all of it's fitting capabilities in exchange for a greatly reduced consumption of the fuel blocks we currently have.

I like that idea. Mind if I quote you in the OP?

Does it keep its bubble going?

If so, say hello to super-cheap titan-holding POSes.


@Reaver: Go for it

@Rawk: Debatable really, but without any fitting whatsoever, you are talking about a defenseless POS with 0% resists in 2 damage categories.

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Icebears
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-07 07:26:07 UTC
Maybe disable or greatly reduce Reinforce while in low power mode?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-04-07 07:59:46 UTC
We don't want the defensive capabilities to be too low or else it defeats the purpose of using it to go on vacation, just the same, we don't want it to be too strong or else people will abuse it for warfare and sovereignty purposes. That's why I suggested the cooldown preventing you from using it too much.

Keep the suggestions coming, guys!

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Icebears
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-04-07 08:07:07 UTC
Was thinking something like having a full stront bay be like 6 hours of RF, just to give your corp mates a chance to actually defend the POS.
Ofc the timer could be adjusted
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-04-07 08:07:36 UTC
I think the only way to do this, without resulting in tearing it down being the only sane option is to have a timer based deal otherwise it'll just be exploited to death.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#12 - 2015-04-07 10:05:32 UTC
if it's for CEO's who don't trust their corpies enough to hire a director, that's their problem, it's no different IRL!

if it's for one-man corps/alt corps, they should have no issue with the loss of the bubble, but anything that was inside the bubble at the time becomes invulnerable and immovable until the tower is destroyed, the tower keeps resists, but does not defend itself

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#13 - 2015-04-07 14:50:58 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
I would be down for simply having a POS have a low power mode, where it offlines all of it's fitting capabilities in exchange for a greatly reduced consumption of the fuel blocks we currently have. Leave the stront timers alone though, if you decide to go offline, and you choose not to tear it down, that is your issue.


I would say it would still need weapons unless the stront timer last till the end of the vacation mode.
other then that yeah tear it down.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-04-07 14:57:25 UTC
An ultralong reinforce period coud be used simply to anchor them in an area denial position, If you don't want the POS in use then tear it down, if someone then takes your anchor point say hello to conflict and wardecs.

Note: this is all irrelevant once they bring in new structures anyway, best see what they bring instead I think.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-04-07 15:03:56 UTC
I just had another idea: what if you could put your POS in "vacation mode" and it basically gets offlined completely but the whole setup is stored and the items all fade from space. Then when the owner gets back, they can trigger the POS re-appearing in space. They won't be able to on-line it without moving it if the spot is taken but if it's available they can just push a button and have the whole thing come back to life. Allows for an indefinite leave and makes the logistics of going on leave much simpler.

What do you guys think of that one?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#16 - 2015-04-07 15:04:52 UTC
Not meaning to be negative but if I fill up my POS fuel bay it is pretty much a months supply or near as damn it so why is this actually needed?

If your going to be away longer than a full bay will allow you then I'm fairly sure your better off flat packing the POS and storing it in station.

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Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#17 - 2015-04-07 15:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
I for one welcome the opportunity to abuse this by intentionally using month long invincible towers for staging in hostile areas. And I don't even need to pay for the normal fuel cost. How grand.

-1

P.S: A full fuel bay is already close to a month on a normal tower, and over a month on faction towers or towers in sov space.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-04-07 15:14:17 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I just had another idea: what if you could put your POS in "vacation mode" and it basically gets offlined completely but the whole setup is stored and the items all fade from space. Then when the owner gets back, they can trigger the POS re-appearing in space. They won't be able to on-line it without moving it if the spot is taken but if it's available they can just push a button and have the whole thing come back to life. Allows for an indefinite leave and makes the logistics of going on leave much simpler.

What do you guys think of that one?


And what would happen to the anchor point? If it gets reused by someone else where would your tower 'pop-up' again? If it doesn't become free for anyone else how would an aggressor then clear your tower from the spot for themselves?

If you need it safe you really should have to take it out of space and store it in station. This is an effort/reward case I think.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-04-07 15:37:02 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
I for one welcome the opportunity to abuse this by intentionally using month long invincible towers for staging in hostile areas. And I don't even need to pay for the normal fuel cost. How grand.
I think most of us are hoping to avoid proposing something that would allow such tactics. That would create a system in which nullsec sovereignty became a game of who got there first, much like industry slots before the industry revamp that came with Phoebe. That is why it is imperative we brainstorm ideas to prevent this proposal from being used that way.


Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
And what would happen to the anchor point? If it gets reused by someone else where would your tower 'pop-up' again? If it doesn't become free for anyone else how would an aggressor then clear your tower from the spot for themselves?

If you need it safe you really should have to take it out of space and store it in station. This is an effort/reward case I think.
I think maybe what we really need is a button to stow a POS, including all modules, as an item that can be put in a hangar and later assembled on-site at which point it will automatically re-assume its previous configuration. Because the only real issue here is the difficulty in taking it down and putting it back up. If you only had to go through it initially when you set it up, that would make it much easier to go on vacation.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Ix Method
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-04-07 15:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
It would probably help if you were upfront about why you want/need this rather than talking about hypothetical trust concerns as I can't work out where you see the upside.

As it stands these ideas seem exploitable in tiresome, negative ways without really adding anything.

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