Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To change this, what I think should happen is that the initial attack should require the same capture mechanics as the final defense, with one exception. That exception being, that if the attacker cannot win the capture-the-node-game within the vulnerability window the defenders structures are safe. So it would be impossible for a lone attacker to troll their way to victory if the system had a good defensive timer bonus.

So.... going through and catching up on 15 pages of threads, one thing caught my eye that people seem to be missing in regards to the Trollceptor, although this may require some additional confirmation as I can't find it actually written anywhere yet - no prop mods (MWD/AB) while Link is active. If that's the case, as long as there's a hefty cooldown that prevents an interceptor from being able to drop the link right away and then burn out, there's no way an interceptor is going to move fast enough to escape anything.

But then again, maybe this is just hearsay unless someone can confirm that is indeed one of the planned penalties.

My biggest problem with this threadnaught is that Goons are actually making some sense.

That aside, I think the main issue is that very little commitment is needed to kick off the capture process.

To change this, what I think should happen is that the initial attack should require the same capture mechanics as the final defense, with one exception. That exception being, that if the attacker cannot win the capture-the-node-game within the vulnerability window the defenders structures are safe. So it would be impossible for a lone attacker to troll their way to victory if the system had a good defensive timer bonus.

My proposed system is this:
The initially attack has to be made against the station/ihub/etc. and would still require the 10-40 minutes +2 minutes for warm up and would still have to be made during the vulnerability window. If this is successful then the various capture nodes start to spawn across the constellation. The attacker will have to capture nodes and gain a 10 node advantage (or whatever they decide is appropriate, could be fewer for the initial attack to make it a bit easier to achieve) to put the station/ihub/etc. into reinforce as per the CCP proposed system.

Even if you had only a 2x defensive time bonus, and assuming that a solo attacker had to capture 10 nodes, it would not be possible to solo their way to victory. 2 minutes warm up, 20 minutes capture, then 10 nodes multiplied by (20 minutes +2 minutes warm up) = 242 minutes of capturing (+travel time) within 240 vulnerability window. Therefore, not possible. Against a system with no defensive bonus and nobody defending, it would be possible.

The system I propose makes taking sov harder. The CCP proposed system makes trolling people way too appealing. While my proposed system does not require much of a commitment of isk by the attacker, it does require a definite commitment of time. The attacker will have the advantage because they know when and where they are going to attack. A solo or half-hearted attack will be easy to defend if people are in their system (solo attacks do not even need to be defended with a good defensive time bonus). However, a committed attacker will require defensive response. The defender may be able to scramble enough people to hold some of the systems in their constellation and may be able to capture enough of the nodes to survive through until the vulnerability window closes. So, the defender's lack of numbers and preparation is compensated by their defensive time bonus and that the attack is working against the clock.

What do you think?




In regard to the troll-ceptor, I think it could probably be taken out with a 10mn MWD Svipul. I messed around with one last night and did 14k m/s, with heat. Add links and implants and you can definitely chase down a troll-ceptor. A good troll-ceptor pilot may be able to evade a single Svipul because it handles like a barge, but at least there are options on the table. Personally, I think the link should add mass, similar to Hictor's bubble. However, there are many game-mechanic options on the table and I trust CCP (perhaps I am being naive here) to make sure the troll-ceptor does not make it into the game.