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Ores need Tiericide, Badly
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Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#1 - 2015-03-28 22:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
Specifically, the variants of each ore need to be turned into one type.

What's better, Crimson Arkonor or Prime Arkonor? Fiery Kernite or Luminous Kernite? The game doesn't even have a tab for the "Variants" of each type of ore, nor does it even say which is the best... But who cares when the difference is just 10% between the 3 types? When I'm mining, the difference between the different ores (e.g., Veldspar vs Hedbergite) is much larger than that 10%.

When I'm looking for compressed versions of ores to ship or refine, the difference gets maddening. Search "Compressed" and try to find the best price per unit, because there's not a stable market of each individual type, even in Jita.

Save us from the spreadsheets, CCP! Please remove the "advanced" versions of each ore and instead balance by other factors, such as size of the asteroids, and turn the six variants of Gneiss into two.

Thanks!
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#2 - 2015-03-28 22:43:19 UTC
whilst i dont mind the confusion between names, or believe that 10% is negligible, this would make creating ore buy back contracts soooooooo much freaking easier.

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Cade Windstalker
#3 - 2015-03-28 22:45:19 UTC
It would be far better and easier for CCP to just improve the UI to make it clearer which variants of the ore are better from the client.
Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#4 - 2015-03-28 23:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
Some quick maths based on some eve-central data tells me that the weighting of Normal, Dense and Concentrated Veldspar average ~1.028 units of Veldspar, so bumping the average yields by about 3% should cancel out most economic effects.

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It would be far better and easier for CCP to just improve the UI to make it clearer which variants of the ore are better from the client.


The best way to do that would probably be to outright rename them as "Veldspar +5%", or else we're still left with Showing Info on each type. Even then, while renaming them may be easiest on CCP, it's not the best thing, since there would still be six markets for the same thing.
Madd Adda
#5 - 2015-03-29 00:04:22 UTC
it's sickly easy to figure out which ore has more yield.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ore_values

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Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#6 - 2015-03-29 04:27:12 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
it's sickly easy to figure out which ore has more yield.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ore_values

The point of this thread is largely that that shouldn't be necessary.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-03-29 04:34:45 UTC
We could also condense all ships into one battlecruiser. That way you wouldn't have to spend time figuring out which one you should use.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#8 - 2015-03-29 05:17:22 UTC
Though I don't normally have an issue know which from the which. This would make things simpler. Which isn't always the best thing, but does help in headache management.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2015-03-29 05:54:33 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
It would be far better and easier for CCP to just improve the UI to make it clearer which variants of the ore are better from the client.


Solves the petty issues and none of the practical ones.

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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
#10 - 2015-03-29 06:09:58 UTC
Anyone else miss the days when people took the time to learn about the game they were playing rather than crying for everything to be simplified and explained to them?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-03-29 06:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
A resounding no. Learn the game. It's not that hard. You can easily compare the ores by visiting pages like Cerlestes, which is even covered in fancy colors to provide you with the most sought after information of which ore is the best for which mineral. Again: Learn the game.

If you cannot find a "stable market", create one. You just need to look up your refining values for the ores/compressed ores, calculate the price for the refined mineral value and can set your Buy Orders accordingly or buy from Sell orders accordingly. Again, it's not that hard, especially not if you create a quick spreadsheet that does all the calculation for you and you just need to compare the end values.

Moreover, when you say "looking for compressed ores to import", what do you mean by that? Do you want to say that you buy all the compressed ores in High sec and import them with a JF? If that is your activity, than this change ought never to happen to discourage your disgraceful behavior. You live in Catch, which is Amarr space, which offers all the Ores that you could ever need for procurement of all minerals necessary for production. By importing these ores from elsewhere, you are hurting your own miners. If you do not have proper mining organization, change that. Your miners cannot mine in peace? Provide them with peace. You are a 15k man alliance, which ranks among the most active, make them have fleets to protect your miners against roamers and PVP and all sides gain from that.

Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis wrote:
The point of this thread is largely that that shouldn't be necessary.

What should not be necessary? To learn about the game and gather information on the activity you want to pursue? You know that this attitude towards the game is deplorable, right? Not to mention that it is not necessary to use websites as all the information is available in the game in the info window in the industry tab where all gained minerals are listed. You just need to compare the numbers. Having said that, there could indeed be a Compare-button to collate the ores of a type with each other easier.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#12 - 2015-03-29 06:35:53 UTC
Nasar Vyron wrote:
Anyone else miss the days when people took the time to learn about the game they were playing rather than crying for everything to be simplified and explained to them?


aye but i think those days have become numbered since Odyssey and its fate further solidified after cruise

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The 16.8km Bubble
Madd Adda
#13 - 2015-03-29 07:41:45 UTC
Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis wrote:
Madd Adda wrote:
it's sickly easy to figure out which ore has more yield.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ore_values

The point of this thread is largely that that shouldn't be necessary.


of course this is necessary, this is EVE. Spreadsheets and online info in space

next you're going to say wormhole info should on its info tab. Laziness, plain and simple.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#14 - 2015-03-29 07:56:17 UTC
Hey, Brave NOOBIE......

Learn the Game Brah!!

Seriously, climb the ladder of EvE education as the rest of us have done.
IF you are unable to figure it out by learning how to use your UI to gather the information already present or by using google.....then please refrain from doing anything intelligent and go be a F1 line grunt instead.

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Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-03-29 10:53:33 UTC
Snarkiness aside, diverse ores are great for industrialists, especially on the lower end. You mine for what you need. Every ship and item in the game requires different amounts of each mineral. If, for example, whatever you're building doesn't need mexallon, then you shouldn't be wasting mining time on bringing in mexallon. If you're just mining to sell ore and minerals, check Eve Central for whatever is selling the highest and mine that. It's a diverse market, and we shouldn't simplify it into stagnation because you can't find the info tab.
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-03-29 10:56:34 UTC
Narku Bourgeoisie Tonisilitis wrote:
Save us from the spreadsheets, CCP!



...also, this is just heresy.
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#17 - 2015-03-29 11:38:30 UTC
I support any idea that nerfs spreadsheets. spreadsheets have to go, CCP!

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2015-03-29 11:59:17 UTC
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote:
I support any idea that nerfs spreadsheets. spreadsheets have to go, CCP!

You do not need spreadsheets to play the game.

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#19 - 2015-03-29 12:22:34 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
next you're going to say wormhole info should on its info tab. Laziness, plain and simple.

If you're already inside the wormhole I don't see why not. The information is readily available online so it's really just pointless mouse clicks at that point.

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Rose Honey
Small Holdings Inc.
#20 - 2015-03-29 12:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rose Honey
Not only do Ores need balancing. There also needs to be a greater difference between the factions of space.

If i had my way here's what I would do.

Make Veldspar and Scordite the only rocks in all 4 factions of space.

So this for an example and of course balanced to fit the risk reward.

High sec
Caldari - Veldspar, Scordite, Pyroxeres
Amarr - Veldspar, Scordite, kernite
minmatar - Veldspar, Scordite, Plag
gallente - Veldspar, Scordite, Omber

Lowsec
Caldari - Veldspar, Scordite, Pyrox, jaspet
Amarr - Veldspar, Scordite, Kernite, Hemorphite
minmatar - Veldspar, Scordite, Plag, Hedbergite
gallente - Veldspar, Scordite, Omber, Gneiss

Then null would then get ALL but the 4 Low sec ores Jaspet, Hemophite, Hedbergite and Gneiss and 3 of the factional spaced ores Pyroxeres, Kernite, plag and omber

Wormholes would just get all cause its outside off normal space.

Grav sites would spawn only rocks exclusive to other space, with a X % chance of a spawn from a lower sec status.

This would make moving around as a mining and hauler more profitable given market supply and demands rules, and off course give you crazy gankers more ships in space.
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