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The way you completely talked out of your ass, I don't believe you knew the difference, much less own a super. You said carriers should have to be on grid, when anyone who actually uses assist/guard already knows that the assigning ship has to be on the same grid to do so. You also don't seem to realize that between hull and fighter/bomber lock times and scan res, it takes over a minute from beginning targeting to actually applying DPS.

Hrm let's do some basic maths on that one hey. My bling fit naglfar with all skills at 5 can do 10,034 DPS.

A nyx with 10 fighters, not fit for drone damage, can do 7000dps.
A nyx with 10 fighers, fit for drone damage, can do 13,270dps.

When we multiply those numbers by 5 (to find the dps of 50 fighters), you end up with 35,000dps and 66,350dps. Yeah buddy 50 fighters is DEFINITELY only dread dps. TOTALLY.



My point of saying carriers should have to be on grid is I prefer that to the old assign mechanic where there was effectively no risk.

Using the targeting speed calculator, it takes 19.76 seconds for a nyx to lock an SBU, and 6.35 seconds for a Einherji to lock same SBU. NOT EVEN 30 SECONDS.. ~if you don't believe me, the math is =(10000/56.3)/(ASINH(4000))~

(BTW, it's still less than a minute using fighter bombers. Do the math. Also SBU Is the same signature as a dread(4k) if you think this only applies to structures. It gets even worse for you with carriers (12k, so 5.6s fighter lock time))

Allowing other ships (ie insta lock interceptor) to apply 50 fighters of dps means you completely nullify 20 seconds of carrier lock means 75.6% faster damage application of up to 35,000-66,350 dps. That's a new target alpha EVERY 7-8 SECONDS. Again, given the amount of alpha that is, I'm happy they removed assist/guard. You're still completely missing the point that 50 fighters assisting/guarding something is more broken than the old 5 assign. ESPECIALLY when the guard mechanic doesn't even require a target lock, so will instantly apply 50 fighters of alpha in under 8 seconds. You really don't think that would have been broken?!

No nyx would be running without t2 trimark rigs and damcon so it would tank 1DD. Also I'm not sure what your max dps fitting is when I can put out 13,270dps with only 10 fighters...

Still, 50 fighters should never be on any ship. That's just broken, no?

When I spoke of being on grid and locking with a (super)carrier, I'm referring to subcapitals, namely frigates to cruisers, the most likely targets of a Skynet defense system. You refer to a structure and use fighter bombers which do **** damage to subcapitals. You also use extremely questionable numbers. You only doubly confirm that you are talking out of your ass. We are in the same coalition and live in the same regions and share the same intel channels. We both know that the CFC did not deploy Skynet as a doctrine. I am unaware of any large scale usage within our space. Again, I don't think you know what you speak of and I greatly doubt you own a super or ever deployed it against subcaps.

Fighters, bombers, assign, assist, I don't give a monkeys chuff about all that.
FRAME RATE is my concern.

6 months ago all was peachy, smooth and sweatless.
Then comes this window blurr bollox, literally halved my frame rate overnight, no longer able to run muliple clients smoothly, (work-around was to minimize the inactive window) what a ball ache that was.

Now with SCYLLA or "big pile of doggy doo doo" as I like to call it, I can no longer run a single client smoothly.
LAAAAAAAG when ever I move the camera, move the ship, warp to, jump etc etc etc.

All I get is the fan going crazy, and I am one of the MANY who's card melted after WIS.

Deja-vu ccp, DEJA-EFFIN-VU!!!

Might care to recheck that math.

3300 x 5 != 33.3k.

^^ 3300 dps from a regular carrier is 15 fighters.

With 50 fighters your talking around upto 10-11K dps with regular carrier fighters (you do need more than 3 normal carriers) and upto a bit over double that with blinged out supers, unlikely someone would use a max dps fit* super on grid however so more like ~20K, dread dps ranges from around 7-8K with basic skills upto a hair shy of 20K with a pimp moros.

Aslong as fighters were tweaked so they can't just apply that to small targets with ease (even a combat fit on grid carrier has fairly good application of that damage as things stand) it wouldn't have been a problem - going back to some of my earliest posts on the subject.



* Realistically your looking at having a cloak (further compounding lock time problem), heavy neut and possibly remote ecm burst and a capital RR in the highs as well - reducing the max dps from a super to around 5K with normal fighters. (EDIT: That is a consideration on top of having more slots used for tank rather than buffing fighter damage - the highslots don't affect the damage per fighter as such).

Yes it is balanced. Becuase it's all on grid. Doesn't matter if it's one interceptor with 50 fighters or 10 with 5 each it's the same difference.

That put's 4 Nyx's with no tank on field with plenty of oppertunity for drive bye DD's (at least 100b sitting on field). I feel like someone willing to put at least 4 supers on field as such should be able to get 16k DPS applying quite quickly to a target.