Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd like to preface this by saying I am not a miner. I've never actually mined in my life before aside from the starter missions when I first began playing. But this proposal still comes from a good place. In essence I asked myself "What would actually get me interested enough in actually trying to mine?" I hope this translates well to older miners as ways to improve upon the gameplay.


So currently we see a moon we want to mine, we plop a tower there and set it up to harvest the moon. It's pretty much mostly passive income aside from some fueling. Sure you have to check for siphons once in a while but there's no real player interaction.

My idea is rooted in the way I imagine that moon mining works in a lore sense. The harvesting laser shoots into the moon's surface and pulls forth the resource sort of like how a river would flow from one end to the other. Now in my mind, it seems like there would be a "stream" of the resource floating out in space as it is pulled toward the pos. What if miners could go out in space and mine the resource directly from the stream?

So question becomes, ok how do we make this relevant? In effect I'd like to make it so that a pos harvesting moon minerals would only gain about 50 percent of what they currently get. In order to make up the other 50 percent, you'd also have to put mining ships to harvest "the stream." If you actively mine your yield can go BEYOND what they currently yield.

Now already some will say "but mining is boring. Why are you making us do something boring to get the same amount of resource as we already have?" Well if you have a good group of miners, you'd actually have the potential to have your resource income go beyond what you're moon is getting you now passively under the current mechanics.

At the same time, if you aren't mining your own moons in an active manner and you don't police the space that you are drawing wealth from, someone else can come in and mine your wealth from under your nose. (I DRINK UR MILKSHAKE) In order for this to be a plausible play style (sneaky prospect mining fleet ops.) We would have to limit the amount of dps a tower could actually put out. Perhaps towers that are set up for moon harvesting simply cannot have guns, or they can only shoot if there is an active member in the pos.

Moons are a great source of income and because of this great potential content creators. Unfortunately pos mechanics makes it so that the only way anyone can get to these moon resources is to have a large capital fleet to use. What we essentially have is vast areas of afk space that bring about great wealth to a few. This idea provides content (skirmishes, active mining, cloaky mining ops) etc and limits the amount of passive low content income that we see today.


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As a side idea I'd also recommend that mining in general pushes people to be active via the use of a FUN minigame that many of us would probably be playing on a smart phone to pass the time. Passive afk miners won't get as much benefit while active miners will exceed their current yield.

oh look it's the "Fun minigame" mining idea again.

As long as the upper boundary of what you can acquire is dictated by the remaining percentage, it doesn't really solve the static supply issues, it actually amplifies the issue enormously.

Most of the current proposals that are commonly endorsed relate to other forms of moon mining unrelated to the actual activity of the moon harvester array on a POS.

Comet mining is the common form that this usually takes, where people can harvest migratory comets for concentrated moon minerals as a supplemental source of moon minerals, as well as proposals where people directly mine goo from moons or other sources through specialized mining ships.

Some even propose removing moongoo from moon harvesting arrays altogether, although I certainly don't agree with that. But any actions taken in relation to moongoo will be in the direction of allowing players to dictate supply though action, not through a static number of moons. Keep moons, and add supplemental effort based harvesting such as comet mining as a pressure valve is my opinion.

Tying it to the moon harvester array, and then tying it even closer so you can't exceed the current hourly yield, is silly.

It does nothing but create a side form of minigame so some miners can make isk in a different fashion, at the expense of massively more expensive t2 ships and modules that has major effects on the rest of the in game economy.

don't forget to add in the cost of the fuel per hr as well

not it is active yield dictated by passive yield you want 50% from the array and 50% from the mining ships meaning you can never go over that 100% cap

so either you don't even understand your own idea or you are failing to explain it

explain what part he didn't read again?

i can name many games i played as a kid, but that's not the point. We shouldn't be forced to be active just for yield. It's silly, especially since you're not a miner.

since when do you work when you mine?

we're going around in circles. I think it's a bad idea to include that sort of thing, just let things be as they are.