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Jenshae Chiroptera
#541 - 2015-03-15 01:33:18 UTC
Feu dAstres wrote:
... Eve Valkyrie looks like perhaps the next extension of possibilities.
Don't know why but I can never see the hidden image in those 3D posters we used to have. I can't use 3D glasses they ones that look like they are made for a solar eclipse just make me cry constantly and don't seem to work.
VR also just messes with my eyes and looks really weird.

I could use low refresh rate CRTs and hardly see the scanning. So, I don't think it is anything along those lines.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#542 - 2015-03-15 10:44:45 UTC
Kaleen Khadath wrote:
(nice points were raised)


The failure to implement Incarna put CCP in a very tough position.

Afterwards, they needed to:

1- fix broken and disfunctional content (paying the "development debt")
2- update the functioning content to keep the player base interested
3- expand the game content to reach players not interested in the existing content

But only have the time and resources for TWO of those... barely.

Failing to do 1 would had killed CCP every year since 2011
Failing to do 2 could kill them in a couple of years
Failing to do 3 will kill them for sure but the date is uncertain

So they hope to finish 1 while doing 2 in order to still have time left to perform 3... but that's impossible.

CCP had a small chance to perform 2 & 3 if they had kept working on WiS... but they didn't. Relevant people in the orgnization had spoiled it big time and others were vindicated and shot WiS dead (FAI, the very influential Art team). They went to upgrading EVE's core spaceships game and by doing that they lost all chances to retain and draw in players who weren't interested in such core spaceships game.

And now those players have got better things to do than play EVE's core spaceships game. It's no longer "play EVE or F2P crap".

I've said that CCP Seagull is the right person to do what needs to be done, even if it's wrong and will kill EVE. I had hopes that she could save the farm, but that's impossible at this point. What can be done, she's doing it nicely. But as Ripard Teg put it, she's performing EVE's last run to the fences, and they won't make it.

The colonization of new space beyond player built gates in new sovereignty space is too little, too late, and fails to adress the nastiest truth in EVE Online:

EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.
Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#543 - 2015-03-15 10:55:39 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.


And here you are. What?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#544 - 2015-03-15 11:30:40 UTC
Aragoni wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.


And here you are. What?


Funny, isn't it? It's like coffee. I don't like it, but I like milk alone less than milk with instant coffee. So, here I am, buying coffee...
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#545 - 2015-03-15 12:14:12 UTC
Aren't these people who want 3D avatars to wander around stations amongst each other (with emotes they also badgered CCP into "introducing") going to be really surprised when they discover they comprise such a limited minority of the playerbase (no matter how loudly they screech otherwise) that they barely merit the bandwidth this and other WiS posts are sopping up?

Imagine, playing WoW and having that hippodragonpanda emoting such fabulous things as *sob* or *cheer*, then coming over here to discover EVE only has spaceships! Spaceships? Is that ALL???? It must be quite a shock. Believe me, we'd sympathize, but you need to show us some sign of brain function so we know we're not shouting into an empty cavern.

[insert flame here]

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#546 - 2015-03-15 12:28:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Aragoni wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.


And here you are. What?


Me too, skill training online waiting for "I haven't got a clue*". -.-

Edit:
*That's not walking in stations, dancing... fake drinking bree... etc.
Vyl Vit
#547 - 2015-03-15 16:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Maybe we should be honored. We're in the presence of a psychological condition specific to internet gaming.
It doesn't even have a name! (Maybe we would could get around to this.) What are the symptoms?

1.) Games on the internet (simple, naturally.)

2.) Is easily bored with games, but just doesn't know why.

3.) Thinks he/she is real good at any game he/she has an account with, regardless of his/her actual game play.

4.) Wanders to "other" games to spread this "expertise."

5.) Invades their forums to tell the "fools already there" just how to make "the perfect game."

6.) The perfect game is inevitably his/her favorite game he/she has an account for but is bored with already.

7.) Repeats procedure ad infinitum succeeding only in compiling a long list of games he/she "plays."

8.) Measures success in gaming with the length of said list.

So glad you found us. Therapy is coming soon. Until then, go back to playing with your bellybutton lint.
We'll let you know.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#548 - 2015-03-15 16:24:59 UTC
Yo. Vyl. How do you spell "contempt"?

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Marsha Mallow
#549 - 2015-03-15 17:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
For all of the people whittering on about how Star Citizen and ED will kill EvE, there's a comment here from a dev that's worth taking into consideration. I'm inclined to agree that more sci-fi games on the market is a good thing. You could see it as a chance for other companies to invest the resources into testing gameplay mechanics and proving which ones work/don't rather than something to be worried about.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Jenshae Chiroptera
#550 - 2015-03-16 02:04:46 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
For all of the people whittering on about how Star Citizen and ED will kill EvE, there's a comment here from a dev that's worth taking into consideration. I'm inclined to agree that more sci-fi games on the market is a good thing. You could see it as a chance for other companies to invest the resources into testing gameplay mechanics and proving which ones work/don't rather than something to be worried about.
WiS is part of the original design.
Pok Nibin wrote:
Aren't these people who want 3D avatars to wander around stations amongst each other (with emotes they also badgered CCP into "introducing") going to be really surprised when they discover they comprise such a limited minority of the playerbase (no matter how loudly they screech otherwise) that they barely merit the bandwidth this and other WiS posts are sopping up?

Imagine, playing WoW and having that hippodragonpanda emoting such fabulous things as *sob* or *cheer*, then coming over here to discover EVE only has spaceships! Spaceships? Is that ALL???? It must be quite a shock. Believe me, we'd sympathize, but you need to show us some sign of brain function so we know we're not shouting into an empty cavern.

[insert flame here]
I would be happy with the ability to invite people into the Captain's Quarters.
I don't know, pretty weird of me but I would rather "see" who I am talking to during a meeting than stroke my phallic ship.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#551 - 2015-03-16 02:11:05 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Feu dAstres wrote:
... Eve Valkyrie looks like perhaps the next extension of possibilities.
Don't know why but I can never see the hidden image in those 3D posters we used to have. I can't use 3D glasses they ones that look like they are made for a solar eclipse just make me cry constantly and don't seem to work.
VR also just messes with my eyes and looks really weird.

I could use low refresh rate CRTs and hardly see the scanning. So, I don't think it is anything along those lines.



Probably an interocular distance thing. I can take two photos from a slightly different place then hold them up crossing my eyes and see 3-D.
Healthy Mary
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#552 - 2015-03-16 04:19:57 UTC
Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#553 - 2015-03-16 04:31:46 UTC
Healthy Mary wrote:
Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations?


I think if you did anything but slowly shuffle, you'd not only be a danger to those around you, but would likely have black eyes all the time. Those things thrusting from your chest are lethal weapons when not respected. Never strut or sashay when equiped with triple Ds.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jenshae Chiroptera
#554 - 2015-03-16 04:35:11 UTC
Healthy Mary wrote:
Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations?
I proceed.
Others shuffle along in half bows, eyes averted. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#555 - 2015-03-16 06:13:39 UTC
First and foremost I think EvE's population has slightly dropped in recent days since I started playing (around 2010) - that being said I do not think that the game itself is actually dying. More so cleansing things like BOTs etc. Once the primary re-balancing passes have been completed (to the point where it isn't solely Ishtars or any other ship) and new content is implemented I would not be surprised to see the numbers start to come back up.

The notion that WIS would kill EvE is silly though in my opinion - unless you add a degree of violence to the whole ordeal. Many people will always want to Pew-Pew with other people in game. Those who would stay in station would most likely be newer players (More people paying) or people who already do not undock. Assuming role-players are there; a course of action is layed out, hair frizzled and people pissed off. Now what? Words now need to be put into action.

Regardless, I do hope that walking in stations becomes implemented and that CCP adds a large amount of gambling activities and other things for players to do. Implementing it with Dust Bunny Slaves and Legion Master Race players will also be fantastic - as it will allow us to coordinate with them and actually bring forth meaningful impact. Currently the only way to do this is out of game (for the most part) making it to meta reliant.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#556 - 2015-03-16 20:20:01 UTC
It's not dying its stagnating. CCP failed to diversify its player base. Instead of implementing content to satisfy all the major segments of its player base PvP, PvE and Industry / Trade they focused exclusively on a subsection of PvP (alliances) and largely ignored PvE, PvP (solo, small gang), PvE, industry and trade. They also failed to implement proper moderation of exploits / unintended game mechanics (a good example is the Lofty exploit that was allowed to persist for years).

Another great example is CCPs inabilty to properly react to increasely larger blobs and the associated lag. One of the consequences of CCPs poor design decisions is the ability to defeat an enemy by bringing more ships. It doesn't take a genius to figure that without a consequence to numbers, each party to a conflict will over time seek to bring greater and greater numbers.

Instead of implementing a system of deminished returns on numbers they bandaid the symptoms and fail to address the disease.

Games are sold largely due to word of mouth (or typing fingers) not how many ships you can stream fighting at 1 fps before your servers crash.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#557 - 2015-03-16 20:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
By the way: without WiS EVE may become even less relevant soon as I see another potential competitor is emerging, from direction opposite to spaceship game - from "WiS". The game is focused on avatars at the moment and this part is actually very good (toons have same quality as in EVE, if not better) - but I'm 100% sure they'll add spaceships long before 2017, it's the next logical step: multiple planets are visible within the game right now and previous MMO game by the same devs had combat ships. And unlike many others - "kickstarted" - competitors this game does not look like naive semi-amateur project but somewhat expensive development ($15-20M probably) + it's created by experienced team with multiple successful games behind them.

Interesting times.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#558 - 2015-03-16 20:40:06 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
By the way: without WiS EVE may become even less relevant soon as I see another potential competitor is emerging, from direction opposite to spaceship game - from "WiS". The game is focused on avatars at the moment and this part is actually very good (toons have same quality as in EVE, if not better) - but I'm 100% sure they'll add spaceships long before 2017, it's the next logical step: multiple planets are visible within the game right now and previous MMO game by the same devs had combat ships. And unlike many others - "kickstarted" - competitors this game does not look like naive semi-amateur project but somewhat expensive development ($15-20M probably) + it's created by experienced team with multiple successful games behind them.

Interesting times.


Could you evemail me the name of that game? Bear
Serene Repose
#559 - 2015-03-16 22:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
I somehow sense there are people who think if they just keep saying it over and over "WiS...WiS...WiS..." while clicking the heels of their ruby slippers, the man behind the curtain is going to be hypnotized into making it happen....visit somebody in their quarters...in a game about spaceships. One can only hope that during this annoyingly repetitive process, they talk themselves into loading a game where they can go visit each other in their quarters. Isn't that Sim Somethin' or Other.?

This takes "delusional" to an entirely new level, which in itself is interesting, I guess. Maybe these are the same people who, when trudging across a desert, point to the horizon and say, "Look! A lake!" Then, wander off never again
to be seen.

One can only hope.

PRO TIP: When trudging across a desert with empty canteens the first to say, "I'm thirsty," dies.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#560 - 2015-03-16 22:18:32 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Healthy Mary wrote:
Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations?
I proceed.
Others shuffle along in half bows, eyes averted. P

You're not on the CSM yet.