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Thinking a bit more about how this is going to work, I'm not sure this is going to make room for new entities in null.

Probably the standard unit of sovereignity is going to be the constellation, inhabited by a corporation.

If you are small, you will only have one developed system, while trying to proyect enough force over the rest of the constelation, to avoid uncomfortable neigbours and to be able to have some control during the nodes battle.

But if your organization is large enough, you will probably develop the whole constelation, while projecting force over the neighbouring ones to keep a defensive buffer.

So, I expect a big alliance like Brave taking control of around 35 constellations, with 400 people in each one, while keeping empty constellations between them, say another one. So they will efectively control/negate to others, something like 70 constellations.

The Goons now have sovereignity in 38 different constellations, so I dont think they will need to reduce their footmark, only reduce a little the number of system where they have sovereignity.

And the renters will just live in the empty systems, so they can be protected of attacking fleets and just send one member at the end of the carnage to flip the nodes.

The new rules will provide a lot more good fights, but the players will be the same.

The US does not need to teleport their carriers anywhere you forget about the long range strike packages the SUPERS offer.

kk guys, once you get past the highly speculative trollceptor rabblerabble and timezone range, you'll realize just how amazing the actual command node capture event is. The constellation spread and node dynamics open up opportunities for a much more varied landscape of tactics, leading to days of high-octane PVP fun.

Dont you think that this point makes the whole sov revamp if not useless, but at least very dubious? The main goal was, and I quote: "Goal #1: As much as possible, ensure that the process of fighting over a star system is enjoyable and fascinating for all the players involved" The experience shows - sov defenders dont want good fights. They want sov at all costs. And that means they will take any opportunity to ruin the game of their opponents. Attackers of course will return the favor.

So if the whole premise is wrong - then what the hell are we discussing?

Despite what people think, winning is less of overblown "take over all of null" but more like "no serious threats left & endless farming of content".

One may change the nature of threats (by removing them via bore offs), but it's probably easier to change the nature of content (which in some places, sov trolling is content so you can do both at once)

Or set your home clone in Delve by docking there? The 1/year restriction is only for remotely setting a clone. Am I missing something?

Large tracts of vacant sov does seem like a possibility, but not for this reason.

This may not be the most popular opinion, but yes, I think the whole premise is wrong.

Holding 0.0 space should be a lot more than sitting on a tether waiting to play whack-a-mole. A lot goes into running a successful space empire. I need not elaborate on that here, as everyone who knows anything about it is already familiar with the amount of work required. As such, it should not be easy to take away that space. It should require a reasonable effort to take the space. I do not believe Trollsov really requires a reasonable effort to take space. This will ultimately mean that owning space becomes even more the exclusive club of those who can do so despite the system being unbalanced in favor of the offense.

Faction Warfare does not represent real loss or gain - whether your side wins or loses, the map will not change. Both sides will make a great deal of ISK just by participating in Faction Warfare. Players will flip-flop back and forth just to make more ISK. It is therefore an invalid model for sovereign 0.0 space, which is about long term commitment to a group and making long term investments in space.

Sovereign 0.0 space should not flip-flop back and forth. Major warfare should be a serious commitment. The normal mode in 0.0 should be constant border raiding, but not constant existential threats.

The fundamental problem with Eve right now is Supercapitals. The ability to build Supercapitals is one of the only benefits to owning 0.0 space. Everything else you can do in 0.0 can be done somewhere else with less trouble and less risk.

The problem is, of course, that Supercapitals can only be built in sovereign 0.0 space. Since building them requires space ownership, the sov system should not require them to take and hold space. That needs to change. The solution is not to let them be built in low sec or NPC 0.0. If that happened, that is the only place people would build them, for a variety of reasons.

So, it is clear that Supercapitals need to go. Making them useless, giant command ships, as CCP Fozzie has suggested, is not the path to take. At best, make Supercarriers into slightly more powerful Carriers (Carriers carry Fighters, Supercarriers carry more Fighters and get Fighterbombers, neither gets drones, but I digress). That would revitalize lots of old accounts who are otherwise in a stasis situation of "break glass in case of war." At worse, remove them completely and reimburse all the things.

The only other benefit to holding 0.0 space is that you can build your own sandcastle. It won't look much different than all the other sandcastles, but it will be yours. And it takes a tremendous amount of work to build it and maintain it.

Without Supercapital dominance, it takes a great deal of effort to take and defend 0.0 space. This is fine, so long as the offense and defense are balanced, and successful offense means risking valuable things in space, then things will be good.

CCP should be looking at why and how people live in Sovereign 0.0 space. I don't think they have really done their homework on this one (if they have, they sure have not showed their work). They do not seem to understand how much work goes into living there. Clearly, it may not be as much effort as living in a WH, but the amount of people who have stuff at risk is far higher. And the ease of moving in an eviction force is much easier in Sovereign 0.0 space than it is in a WH.

I think CCP should accept, as a premise, that capital fleets are a PART of the basic requirements for taking and holding 0.0 space. They should rebalance sovereign space 0.0 around the idea that strong capital fleets are a requirement for successful offense and defense.

The other thing they need to do is balance out the map some. The east needs some NPC 0.0. This would be good for both offense, as a staging area to attack the space, and for defense, as a place to evacuate to if you lose. It would also be good for the day-to-day risk, as it gives a good staging base for the kinds of local raids that keep day-to-day life vibrant in the West.

And thus, when you have the sov lasers, sov will be more than just an option on the table for moa, right? I mean you are willing to fight tooth and nail, but aaah supercap what can we do?!?! Thankfully the NPCs in your home station won't lose it or deny you access even though there's some sort of hilarious camp just outside the station.

That endless optimism, it can only come from massadeath

I wonder how long it will take you to notice how the NEW system really works or I should say will work.