Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, like sov trolling, they need to bore us out of null?

So, with a method like sov trolling then....

gatecamps aren't ironclad defense

have you heard of wormholes, covert ops cloaks, and titan/blops bs bridging

i understand that you once lost a ship once to a gatecamp and this made you angry but don't blame the gatecamp for you being bad

Disclaimer: everything below is from a grunt's perspective in Dominion Sov warfare. Others may know more about actual decisions various parties made.

People are missing the reason why null sec has been stagnant. It's not so much that Dominion sovereignty was that terrible for the participants (if you used proper tools, i.e. Dreadnoughts, it was not that bad at all). When we fought in Tenal in 2012, there were lots of good fights, we sacrificed a few dozen Drake fleets and a couple of Titans, we wore the enemy down, then they gave up and we reinforced all the things. It was not bad at all.

The following summer we fought in Fountain and there were good, big fights. There were also horrible fights with large numbers of slow cats on each side. Then we went to Delve and life started to stink... Due to the threat of Supercapital hot drops on our Dreadnoughts, and the need to develop more FC's, we ground Delve in stealth bombers. That sucked. We did the same through the Halloween war, until towards the end when we got B-R and other good fights.

After B-R, the large blocs voluntarily gave up the sov fights. This was a conscious decision and resulted in horrible stagnation. I'll say that again: the large blocs mutually agreed not to wage sov warfare. They did not want to risk Supercapital fleets (the loss of which would lead to the loss of moon and rental empires). The large blocs voluntarily started the stagnation.

Why is this important? Because only large blocs will be able to seriously attack another large bloc using Trollsov. If they choose not to attack each other, because REASONS, then we are left with a Trollsov system that is even worse for small groups (who can be trolled by all and sundry) and Nullsec will still appear stagnant on the sov front. But is Eve actually stagnant right now?

Meanwhile, for all the vitriol directed at space aids, it did allow regional conflicts to be fun again (at least in Fountain). I've used my Dreadnoughts and Titan more in the past five months than I did at any point previously in Eve (and in relatively small fights as true force multipliers). We had great fights in southern Fountain in December and January. Small gang fights through NPC null and WH's have been great. N3 has been great about dropping Supercapitals on our roaming T1 cruiser gangs in Delve. Life is good. From what I have seen, life is good elsewhere too. And now you want to screw that up with this nonsense?

If you want to break up the big blocs, you cannot. N+1 is always better than N. No mechanic, short of deus ex machina killing the "+1," will work. Deus ex machina is the antithesis of sandbox (see e.g. T20). So give it a rest...

Goon tears in 1 line : "Bawwwwww Fozzie how dare you make it so we can be harassed a little bit while rolling the whole eve for free".


Seriously, this system is so severely biased for goons I wonder who actually came up with it.

agreed, for this reason we need to ensure interceptors cannot use entosis links

They're rather optimistic about this too.

But doubtless it's spin, or ?? (And it's mostly random cfc people here, as well)

Basically, you want a "discussion" that's just all of you having 0.0 fantasies about ending evil cfc

So a hilarious echochamber "discussion". Go have it on reddit or something


You're likely to just get whatever has been planned anyway, since I doubt they'll change much so might as well begin planning out your interceptor fits and start buying so you won't have to when everything is overpriced just before/after the patch

if only

unfortunately ccp has a hard-on for renters

This would be great.

The amount of laughs I'm getting from the "wah no interceptors" crowd is amazing. There's a bajillion ways to deal with interceptors, be it a single one or a full fleet of them. Needless to say, for those of your worried about a full fleet of interceptors, if you don't have the manpower to protect your core systems from that there's a bigger issue at hand. You need to deal with a bunch of interceptors trolling your system, build a freaking kill squad! Cruor + Garmur for tackle, then something to lay on the DPS (drone cruiser would be a great option here) and a logi just to play it safe. 4 ships, and you can go around swatting ceptors like a Japanese Giant Hornet through a hive of honey bees.